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    I know, I know...

    They're clearing cap space like mad. What if they decide to target Haynesworth and Cassel in a likely unprecedented off-season?

    I found a link to some expert opinion, but you have to pay. I only know the article includes Matt.

    It would definitely shine a light on the Bucs, and the ratings for the game in the UK would be OFF THE HOOK!

    Scout.com: More cap savings, but now what?

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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    That was my initial thoughts. Really, with all this cap space, it's not unrealistic that the Redskins could do the following:

    Sign Haynesworth
    Trade for Cassel
    Re-sign Antonio Bryant
    Sign TJ Housh
    Sign Devery Henderson
    Sign one of Ray Lewis or Bart Scott

    That would be a hell of an offseason and could realistically happen.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    Redskins?
    Umm the topic is about the Buccaneers.

    My guess is that they will make a big pitch to Haynesworth. I'm not sure about Cassel. Haven't heard any rumors of the Bucs interest in him at all. Which is weird but whatever.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    At this point, it's not clear that the "management" team in Tampa Bay has any clue what they're doing.

    As scary as this sounds, right now, the Lions might have better long term prospects. :eek:
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    What I've heard: Luke McKown is their man and they don't want to spend the money on Cassel.

    EDIT: Jim Bates is a well known defensive guru who appears to have plans to rebuild the defense into something like he had in Miami that gave Tommy fits all those years, that will require some money.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    It makes sense, they need a franchise QB and always have and we have one for them.

    They have over 60 Million to make this happen. They can't draft Sanchez or Stafford and they've seen enough of McCown to know that he's a #2 at best. Like I said, I think Matt will be wearing pewter in 09........

    I would ask for their #1 but if I was BB and they balked, I would simply as for their #2 and a high conditional 2010 based on Matt's performance.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    Sounds crazy, but how about McKown and their #1(19th overall) for Cassell. McKown would be a good insurance and competition for O'Connell and at 7.5 million for 2 years his contract is doable for the Pats.

    PS - I'm just shooting from the hip with this, but I'm getting anxious to see how this all plays out.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    Do you really think the Bucs are going to go into the regular season with Luke McCown as their starting QB or at least into training camp with him as the clear cut starter?

    Come on. The guy has 238 career pass attempts (only one last year which was incomplete) with 9 TDs and 10 INTs and he is a five year veteran who has played a total of 12 career games. They are better off resigning Garcia over annointing McCown as their starter.

    If McCown is their starter, I would bet they will be lucky to win 5 games. About half the teams have #2 QB who are as good or better than McCown.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    McCown in a trade? Why? This is not his older brother Josh who has had a few productive games in his career while in Arizona. This is his less talented brother Luke. Josh had more TDs in his crappy season in Oakland in 2007 than Luke has had his entire 5 year career. If McCown is getting $7.5 million over two years, he is getting overpaid by about $6 million.

    I can see why the Bucs would resign him with the uncertainty at the position, but I wouldn't want to pay him what he is getting to be a Patriots back up. He does have starting experience that helps as a back up, but O'Connell is the #2 guy and I wouldn't want another young veteran who is getting paid a lot to hinder his process. I definitely do not want him part of a deal for Cassel.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    Maybe, if by "competition for O'Connell" you mean "getting stomped by O'Connell every single day." :)
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    It not only sounds crazy, it is crazy.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    McCown as trade incentive is like "I have the clap" as a pick-up line. Nein!
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    Well, I like my chances to score with that line than I like the Pats chances of scoring with McCown filling in for Brady in a game.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    The Bucs have gone on record as saying that they want to bring in another QB. The feeling with fans and media in the area was that it would either be someone like Byron Leftwich via free agency, or in the draft a Josh Freeman or Nate Davis. There had been zero buzz among the fans and media about bringing in Cassel. Of course, that was prior to the release of the five players yesterday. And as seen by those roster moves, the fans & media are not on the same page with the new management; nobody saw this coming although the signs ('we're going to get stronger, faster') were certainly there.

    It's hard to tell what their plan is at QB; McCown is getting more than most backups but less than almost any starter. I'm thinking they'll bring in another JAG at QB and see if he can get it done; if he can't, they'll draft a QB in the first round next year. They'll spend that money this year on players that fit the new schemes, especially on defense.

    Cassel going to Tampa Bay does make sense from the perspective of need and having cap space, but I'm just not convinced that is where he is headed. I could be wrong; we'll find out soon enough.

    EDIT: regarding trading McCown, I don't see that helping either team. Tampa Bay just signed him and paid him a $2.5 million signing bonus a few days ago; why would they throw that away?
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    What I think? The new management down there is looking to put their own imprint on the club and a trade for Cassel will take valuable draft picks they want for other positions...they think McKown/McCown is enough to get them through 2009 so they can draft a top QB in 2010.
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    #12 Jersey

    I have to agree, It is doubtful that Tampa Bay is thinking about success in 2009. They would be happy with rebuilding the foundation and firming up other areas in 2009 so they could be playoff contenders in 2010.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    Alrighty then. I'll take that as a no. The 19th pick would be good enough for me, I just figured another backup QB wouldn't be a bad idea. I don't know too much about McKown, but you guys have told me enough.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    I was just in Tampa on vacation. I turned on sports radio and there is ZERO buzz about Matt Cassel. All the talk was about Luke McKown and the fans seemed to be happy that he will be the starter. They also had a couple of, "Bucs insiders" who also said that McKown will be the starter.

    So I don't see Matt Cassel in Tampa. What I possible see for Cassel is a trade with KC with their 2nd and a 4th this year and a 2nd next year that could be a 1st based on how he plays. I would take that deal.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    Also agree. I thought TB was a sneaky candidate for Cassel but now it looks like they are on the 3-5 year plan. You need the franchise QB in place by year 3, not now. It could be that they plan to try and buy success immediately with their cap space, but I'm skeptical.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    Well, it's not like they can hoard it; at a minimum, they must spend 90% of their cap space; if they don't do it themselves, the NFL will take the extra money they should have spent and distribute it to the players on the team.

    That's not to say they'll definitely sign Cassel, of course.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    Bucs & Vikings are going to look very dumb when Cassel gets traded elsewhere and has a solid season while Vikes/Bucs founder with Rosenfels/McCown.
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    Re: Are the Buc's targetting Cassel?

    Enough to get them a top 5 draft pick to assure them of one of the top 2 QBs. Luke McCown has played 12 games his entire career. The two he played last year, he threw one pass for a 0% completion percentage (or he was 0 for 1 on passes). He had one good game, one decent game, and three clunkers in 2007. He didn't play at all in 2006 or 2005. In 2004, he had one garbage time game and threw for 4 TDs and 7 INTs in the other 4 and had a 52.6 passer rating that season.

    McCown is enough to to make the Bucs one of the worst offenses in the league. I think people confuse Luke McCown with his brother Josh. Josh was a mediocre starter, but he is more talented than his brother. Luke hasn't shown that he can be more than an adequet back up who can fill in a game or two. He certainly hasn't shown he can be a full time starter for an entire season.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    Why? They were in the race for the a playoff spot until the end. If they didn't collapse against the Raiders the final week, they would have made the playoffs instead of the Eagles with a 10-6. Why would they tank 2009?

    In fact, I will argue that if they had a franchise QB last season, they might have gone to the Super Bowl.

    How is a 9-7 team that were 9-3 at one point in the season suddenly go into a a 3-5 year plan? They are not a 6-10 team. I think they are a few pieces away from being a legitimate contender in the NFC especially since the conference is weak.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    That's the important point.

    TB probably released the players due to age since they probably thought this was part of their collapse. (Usually happens when "younger/faster" is mentioned)

    One the whole, why they need a 3-5 year plan sounds like they hired Matt Millen
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    Didn't Miami and Atlanta prove this year that there is no such thing as a 3-5 year plan? Any team on a 3-5 year plan are really on a 5-7 year plan because they have to wait for 3-5 years that 3-5 year plans are BS and then get someone in who is competent. In today's NFL, you gotta plan to win today while trying to build for the future. That is why the Pats have stayed on top or near the top for nearly a decade now. That is why the Dolphins and Falcons went from the two worst teams in the NFL to playoff teams in one year.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    Is it a confirmed fact that the Bucs hired Matt Millen? Do you have a link for that?
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    Here is what I think Tampa is doing.
    They will not be competing this year.
    They fired Gruden to hire the least expensive HC they could find.
    They cut everyone who makes decent $$.
    They will pay large salaries and small signing bonusses (i.e. instead of a 10mill sb and first year salary of 2 mill, they will pay a first year salary of 12mill and no signing bonus) that way they use up the max cap space for the min real cash expenditure so that they meet the salary cap minimum at the lowest real $$ cash cost.
    They will trade down out of round 1 to not pay the high pick.
    They will get to the cap minimum as cheaply as possible, then if there is an uncapped year they will have the lowest payroll in the league.
    Basically because it would appear the ownership is running out of money.
    They will become the KC Royals or Florida Marlins of the NFL, and sell the team in 2010 or 2011.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    I think you're making some hasty assumptions here. Although these moves are clearing cap room. They still have to spend up to the cap minimum. It's ALSO quite possible that the Bucs are preparing to make a splash in free agency with their newfound cap space. So let's not be so hasty in pronouncing them the marlins of the nfl.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    I dont know that I PRONOUNCED them that, but that it what i see developing.
    The combination of ownership having financial problems and cutting good players that you have plenty of cap room to keep is not a good omen.
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    Re: Are the Bucs targetting Cassel?

    You may be on to something there. The ownership (Glazer family) also owns Manchester United, and word is they lost $85 million on them last year. Tampa Bay was also one of the top two or three teams in the NFL as far as being under the cap last year, if I recall correctly.

    Edit: Couldn't they also cut or trade one of two veterans with long term contracts that were signed with big signing bonuses, causing big cap hits - to get them closer to the salary floor?
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