Are NFL GMs as naive as the posters on this board?

Discussion in ' - Patriots Fan Forum' started by AndyJohnson, Nov 18, 2008.

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  1. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson Veteran Supporter

    We have gone from the consensus being that Cassel starting at QB was negligence by the HC to people posting how insulting it would be for the Patriots to offer Cassel $8mill to extend his contract one year.
    It shocks and amazes me how every event causes such a drastic over-reaction by the consensus of the board, and I would assume the fan base of this team, and probably all others.
    Does anyone really think that there are GMs out there who were laughing at BB for being stuck with Cassel a few weeks ago, and now see Cassel as the key to their future, willing to pay him $10mill+ a year?
  2. SVN

    SVN Hall of Fame Poster

    i personally wish we talked more about the season in progress than what is going to happen 6 months down the line. We are not out of the race yet ..
    The cassel contract has been the biggest debate since the jet game.
  3. signbabybrady

    signbabybrady Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    #22 Jersey

    I am missing your point well other than people on here overreact. Are you saying no GM thought BB made a bad choice in Cassell or are you saying no GM is going to spend big money on Cassell in the offseason?
  4. Clonamery

    Clonamery Supporter Supporter

    I prefer your football analytical posts versus your Judge Judy-like scoldings, deserved or not.
  5. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi Supporter

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    Things change when a guy plays and does well. It makes no sense to make a judgement on a player after a few bad preseason games then refuse to change that judgement after 10 regular season games.
  6. Clonamery

    Clonamery Supporter Supporter

    Most changed their minds after 1 game - the Jets game.
  7. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi Supporter

    #12 Jersey

    Before I expect him to be Tagged and Traded he needs to play like he has through the winter and in games as the pressure builds. As of this moment he has shown himself, IMO, to be considered someone's solution at QB. However there's 6, and hopefully more, games to go.
  8. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    If Cassel plays at the same level he has the last few weeks, absolutely a GM will offer him a huge contract. In fact, multiple GMs will. In case you haven't noticed, teams trotted out the following QBs to start the 2008 season:

    JT O'Sullivan
    Tavaris Jackson
    Brodie Croyle
    Kyle Orton
    Marc Bulger
    Derek Anderson
    Trent Edwards
    Chad Pennington
    Troy Smith (or they would of, had he not had his tonsils removed ...)
    Jon Kitna
    Aaron Rodgers
    Jeff Garcia

    And these are pre-injury players who teams hitched their wagon to to start the season. Yes, some of them worked out (Orton, Edwards, Pennington, Rodgers, Garcia kind-of) but all of these were huge question marks at the start of the season and speaks to the serious lack of QB talent in the NFL.

    Heck, one guy on this list (Derek Anderson) had one-half a good year, and his own team signed him to a huge extension at the end of the year after just drafting a wildly popular QB in the first round. And now they benched him in favor of the young guy and have a ton of money tied up in the QB spot!

    So yes, a GM will roll the dice and pay Cassel big money and/or also pay franchise compensation.
  9. ctpatsfan77

    ctpatsfan77 Supporter Supporter

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    Just to be clear--I don't think anyone will fork over two 1sts for Cassel. I think that if they franchise Cassel, they'll end up trading him the way the LOLphins traded Welker.
  10. tombonneau

    tombonneau In the Starting Line-Up

    Thanks for clarifying; that's what I meant to indicate. Obv. no one is forking over a 1st & 3rd. (Though allegedly the Browns had offers that high for Anderson but opted to keep him. Idiots.)
  11. apple strudel

    apple strudel Banned

    Way to over-simplify to no purpose, OP.

    It doesn't matter whether GMs change their minds about Cassel - we'll never really know in a meaningful way anyway. Comparing GMs to posters on this board doesn't really yield any insight of interest either, except maybe to point out that many GMs really don't know what they're doing and sign/draft players out of fear or to mollify a fan base so they keep their jobs. But you didn't do that.
  12. MoLewisrocks

    MoLewisrocks Supporter Supporter

    No kidding, GM's, HC's, and owners seperately or in conjunction do the darndest things when their jobs or media profile or hold on a fan base are threatened...with few exceptions of which we are fortunately one. :D
  13. DaBruinz

    DaBruinz Pats, B's, Sox Supporter

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    I think that there are several GMs out there who could see Cassel as a viable bridge between the garbage they have this year and a rookie QB. And, I think that if they want him, they'll have to pay in the 5-8 million a year range.
  14. Rob0729

    Rob0729 Supporter Supporter

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    All I have to say is too bad Matt Millen got fired. He would probably work out a backdoor deal to sent two #1s to the Pats before the Pats even had to decide to franchise Cassel.

    Every time there is a QB like Cassel people start dredging up similiar types of players who were great one year (or several really good games), sign a big contract with another team, and then fail miserably (Scott Mitchell, Rob Johnson, etc.). The thing is the potential that this guy could be the next Brett Favre (a guy who is stuck behind an established starter only get traded to another team and becomes a HOFer) no matter how remote it is, is too great for many GMs. They have dreams of becoming the next Ron Wolf.

    I think there will be someone who will pay Cassel big money. It may not be $10 million a year, but it could be $8-9. With the turnover in the NFL at the Head Coaching and front office positions, it is better for them to gamble on a guy like Cassel than a first rounder since first round QBs are the worst bet in the draft.
  15. mcsully

    mcsully In the Starting Line-Up

    two words, DANGELO HALL..

    Fact is each year you have owners pushing their Front Office to make the big signing.. We see it every year.. This isn't baseball where teams compete for a trade.. The NFL is built around the QB (proof is we have 100's of rules on how not to hit the QB) and when a young one is available, teams drool..

    Cassel is definitely a product of the system. You can't deny.. His next team with his next coach will probably sell the idea tot he fans they will run the same offense.. And this will enable Cassel to succeed..

    I'd be shocked if we dont' get compensation for him..
  16. RayClay

    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

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    D'Angelo Hall was the eighth overall pick.

    What does that have to do with anything?
  17. apple strudel

    apple strudel Banned

    Considering the lack of cohesion in the OP, everything to do with this thread.
  18. JoeSixPat

    JoeSixPat Pro Bowl Player

    I'm confused as to your point? Are you trying to insult GMs? Or just the fans on this board?

    And is there a relevant football point to make - or are we just trying to demonstrate how fickle or unintelligent fans are?

    And which GMs out there were laughing at BB? I think I missed that.

    And as far as $10 million a season - is that what everyone agrees the market rate for a competent QB is these days? If it is, and if there's limited QBs available, I would think Cassel will get what the market allows. But I don't expect it will be $10 million a season - perhaps in excess of $10 million in a signing bonus certainly, but not $10 million a season.
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2008
  19. everlong

    everlong Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

    #12 Jersey

    God I hope so. :singing:
  20. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson Veteran Supporter

    That both are extreme and overeaction. Both are also true, to an extent. None judged BB BEFORE SEEING WHAT HAPPENS, and none are overreacting and breaking the bank because of a few games either. Remember this is the same guy that FANS HERE said had no clue what he was doing in the pocket 2 weeks ago. The opinions on Cassel were and are in between those extremes.
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