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  1. The Brandon Five

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    First we were told that any concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood merely signified the prejudice of those expressing them. Then the Muslim Brotherhood actually took power and we were told that we needed to respect the will of the people and that all of this is simply Egypt getting in touch with it's true nature.

    Now we have this:

    "Destroy the idols," Egyptian jihadist calls for removal of Sphinx, Pyramids
    Are we ready to admit that Islam is not native to Egypt (or Iran, or Afghanistan, etc)? It is a foreign culture that overtakes its hosts. Does anyone really believe that this is an expression of Egyptian culture?
     
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    Re: Arab Spring Brings Islamic Harvest

    I know this might be a sensitive issue for you guys but:

    "Are we ready to admit that Islam is not native to Egypt (or Iran, or Afghanistan, etc)? It is a foreign culture that overtakes its hosts. Does anyone really believe that this is an expression of Egyptian culture?"

    Seems awfull similar to:

    "Are we ready to admit that Christianity is not native to America? It is a foreign culture that overtakes its hosts. Does anyone really believe that this is an expression of American culture?"

    The Arabs have been in Egypt an awful lot longer than Europeans have been in America.
     
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    Re: Arab Spring Brings Islamic Harvest

    I'm sorry, I missed the part where this guy was even part of the Muslim Brotherhood party.

    The article portrays him as a random loony that got out of jail on a lucky judicial ruling.

    What's your point again?
     
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    The point is that the pyramids have been there even longer. Let me know when a bunch of Catholics or Baptists call for the destruction of Chichen Itza, Machu Pichu or Teothihuacan.
     
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    Re: Arab Spring Brings Islamic Harvest

    Well I am no religion expert but to my limited knowledge I am fairly sure that the Hebrews and Protestants are against idol worship also ... idolatry. These people rising to power want a conservative older school way to be adhered to. That has to be nearly impossible in todays world ... it is sure to lead to power struggles and violence for years to come - we'll see. Today's civilization wants modern comforts and ways. IMO current civilization wants religion to be less intrusive on their life - we're seeing it change in this country every day.


    Idolatry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Aniconism in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Re: Arab Spring Brings Islamic Harvest

    Jihad and sharia have been witnessed by the world to be savage forms of human behavior....so are you comparing 17th century Christian behvior to current jihad and sharia savagery?

    I don't get your non-comparison of Islam/Egypt to Christianity/America.

    Can you point out the similarities?

    Thank you.
     
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    Re: Arab Spring Brings Islamic Harvest

    They destroyed an entire civilisation.

    'Nuff said.
     
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    His point is that the Brotherhood is actually LISTENING to this lunatic.

    The rest of the world wouldn't tolerate the destruction of the pyramids or the sphinx.

    And if we ask ourselves why anyone in Egypt would WANT them destroyed, I'd guess to piss of the rest of the world....and think they'd get what they want, don't you?
     
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    Yes ... I am not sure how anyone can defend one religion over another.

    Religions over the centuries have produced most of the death and destruction in this world.
     
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    Re: Arab Spring Brings Islamic Harvest

    Did you forget about when Columbus conquered the Caribbean or when they sent missionaries to destroy a very precious culture, there may not have been a Chitzen Itza but we destroyed all that was dear to the American Indian and we took their land..

    Check out the "Doctrine of Discovery", and you will see the parallels of the Catholic Church and the Supreme Court has held this doctrine up..
     
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    In this case, the "They" you speak of was largely Great Britain mon frere!

    I believe that's what happens to every nation in history that has been CONQUERED.

    We just happened to kick your English butts out when the time was right. Funny how you guys used to walk side by side in battle just waiting to be shot....but that's another topic.

    Do you know the history of the Roman empire? How bout the British empire?

    As I sit here today grateful for the lives that have been sacrificed defending America's freedom, I'm grateful to live in America.

    Aren't you?
     
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    Yes you're correct. Which is why the OP's point about the current culture of Egypt being different to the culture 3000 years ago is ridiculous.

    Ancient Egypt's culture has indeed been taken over by Islamic culture, much like Native American's culture was taken over by European culture. The OP just completely failed the spot the irony of an American to complain about such a thing.

    Though I will say i'm not grateful to live in America.
     
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    There was no irony. I thought that the movement was largely driven by Islamic forces all along.

    I think it would be news to most Egyptians that interest in their archaelogical sites ended three millenia ago given that they have asked for the return of ancient artifacts in the last decade:

    Egypt seeks UNESCO's help in return of 5 artifacts - Orlando Sentinel
     
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    The only diffence is that Middle Eastern nations aren't being conquered by other nations. They're being conquered by other religions.

    And that religious movement has often made it clear that America is the enemy....that America is the great satan full of infidels.

    To which I always say, "Hey, I'm a proud infidel, come get me!";)

    Why not? Where do you want to live?
     
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    The Border Patrol is only there to keep people out. You are free to leave.
     
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    They're not being conquered, they were conquered 1000 years ago. America was conquered by Christianity. Its the same situation.

    Why not? Where do you want to live?[/QUOTE]

    I'm a born and bred Englishman.

    See above.
     
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    I honestly believe people say stuff like that believing it bothers others. When the fact is, no one cares if you leave or if you're not proud to be American.

    Most often, these same people have a socialist country in mind when say this...despite the fact most of those countries are drowning in their own debt and austerity.

    Kinda funny actually.
     
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    Then did you mean to say "I'm grateful I'm not an American" rather than "I'm not grateful to live in America"? Or is it: "I don't live in America"?

    I can see why you are sensitive about the issue of destroying cultures given British history.

    So, about that Rosetta Stone...
     
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    I rest my case then.

    If you live here, you should be even MORE grateful with all the riff-raff you guys have moving into your country.
     
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    Says who? That's not in the article.

    You and B5 making leaps of logic to fit your narrative of evil Islam being the scourge of the world and incompatible with peaceful life.
     

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