Apparently Brandon Graham wants the Pats to draft him

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  1. Rob0729

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    From Profootball Weekly: - Bucs likely to let Bryant test free-agent market
  2. TommyBrady12

    TommyBrady12 In the Starting Line-Up

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    i think we should take him if he's around in the second round. however, i feel that WR is more of a need, so our first round pick should be allotted for this. Offensive tackle too is important. If we sign peppers, then Graham is less important. I'd rather have a jeremy maclin, sidney rice or deshaun jackson type of receiver if he's available at 22.
  3. Rob0729

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    I think defense, defense, and more defense is the Pats top priorities. Few WRs make an impact their rookie season and by the time they might, Welker will be back.

    The Pats need to rebuild their LB corp which was the best part of their team during the Super Bowl years and a weakness now. If the Pats could somehow swing it (not likely) I would like to see the Pats add Peppers, Dansby, and another OLB with the first pick.
  4. mayoclinic

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    I'm more interested in the part about the Bucs being willing to let Antonio Bryant test the waters as a UFA.

    Sign Bryant and Karlos Dansby as UFAs, resign Wilfork and Bodden, and tender or re-sign Mankins and Goskowski. Then add a couple of pass rushing DE/OLBs through the draft. I prefer Dunlap, but Graham would be fine. Who we get will be much more effective if we shore up the middle of our defense first.
  5. WelshPat

    WelshPat Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Leadership was a problem for this team last year, that is why I am against signing Bryant.

    I want an offensive weapon with our first rounder, be it a TE, RB or WR. I think the offensive was very good last year but sometimes standards slipped, but i think with Brady it's easy to fix. The D will take more than one good offseason to fix, theres a lot more holes, thats why i like D in round 2.
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  6. mayoclinic

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    Options at WR was a bigger problem, which is why I'm for it.

    I saw the leadership vacuum as being bigger on defense than on offense. But I understand your point.
  7. TommyBrady12

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    normally i would agree but i think the league is becoming more and more offensive oriented. i'm not sure if the old formula for winning SBs would work anymore. the team has a lot of holes to fill - i think brandon graham would be available in round 2. we could use one of our 3 second rounders on him or brandon spikes. we can then use another second rounder on a RB like Jonathan Dwyer, use our first rounder on a WR or TE like Jermaine Gresham and our 3rd second rounder on an OT or G. Then we can sign Peppers and/or Dansby and hope and pray that our secondary gets better.

    People are forgetting that the offensive is getting older. Moss isn't the same and will probably be let go after next year unless he has an amazing year. Welker we have no idea if he'll ever be the same, let alone play next season. The offensive line is aging. Light will be a free agent next season and Neal is 33 and may call it quits. Kevin Faulk isn't young anymore either.
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  8. WelshPat

    WelshPat Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    WR was a huge problem, but we have lots of early picks and can get a good WR in the draft. It's not like rookies can't come in and play well. Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Jeremy Maclin, even someone like a Donnie Avery.
  9. MaineMan

    MaineMan 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    Sidney Rice was taken at #44, DeSean Jackson at #49. Other 2nd rounders in recent years have included Eddie Royal, Steve Smith (NYG), Greg Jennings, Vincent Jackson, Devery Henderson, Anquan Boldin, Deion Branch, Chad Ochocinco.

    From 2000 thru 2006, 19 WRs taken in the 2nd round panned out and 10 busted; 16 WRs from the 1st round panned out and 15 busted.

    Of the 19 2nd rounders who panned out, 3 would probably be considered "stars". Of the 16 1st rounders who panned out, 8 re now stars.

    By "panned out", I mean guys who stuck around and became consistent significant contributors for at least three seasons at the #1, #2 or #3 WR spot for their team.

    Seems to me like this draft class is deep in WRs who are likely to at least become significant #3s. IOW, unless you think we need to accept the higher "bust rate" in order to try to get a potential "star" WR, we're probably better off taking a WR in the second.

    IMHO, we have two "stars" already. What we really need is two or three legitimate #3 WRs.
  10. Warren94

    Warren94 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    as Mayo stated Dansby would be a good pick up in fa. another one I like is Ryans (Restricted) to be put near mayo...Draft Dunlap or Paul and go from there..
  11. mayoclinic

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    It's exactly like rookies can't come in and play well. When have we had a rookie WR as a major contributor? Julian Edelman and Deion Branch have been the most successful.

    We already have 2 young WRs in Edelman and Tate. We don't need more youngsters. And we have other needs to address with the draft.
  12. TheComeback

    TheComeback 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    This guy is my binky. I think he's exactly what the Patriots need at OLB. He brings fire and aggression to the field.
  13. upstater1

    upstater1 Pro Bowl Player

    Other than Dez Bryant, there are no WRs worth taking in the first round, so...

    Wait until the 2nd or 3rd round. If you take Dez in the first, I would not be opposed to making trades for extra picks (i.e. 2011 to 2010) that would allow you to grab another WR in the 3rd.

    The Patriots may decide that there's more of a premium on OLB/DEs.

    No one can really distinguish between LaFell, Damian Williams, Gilyard, Tate, Thomas and a host of others that will be looked at as 2nd rounders. Therefore, go to the premium pick in the first round.

    If only we signed Dansby, the Patriots could focus on needs instead of worrying about ILB.
  14. upstater1

    upstater1 Pro Bowl Player

    Except Tate has had to ACL injuries and Edelman is a slot guy.

    So we're back to last year's offense. Besides the Colts young receivers, we've seen Mike Wallace, Johnny Knox and Deon Butler play well last year.

    And the year before there were more mid-rounders that came in and performed.

    I believe we need quantity more than quality, so if the Patriots land a guy opposite Moss and slot Edelman, then the 4th kid is not going to see double coverage. That helps a kid like Collie immensely with the Colts. If there was no Dallas Clark or Garcon there, Collie would not have had as much of an impact, but it's the numbers of weapons that make the difference.

    With four capable guys going out for passes in today's NFL, one of them will get open within 3 seconds of the snap.
  15. Warren94

    Warren94 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I agree upstater,

    edelman, moss, and who after that?

    Tate, Benn, Williams from Tulane, Gilyard would give Brady a better choice of weapons due to the fact we have whiffed in our fa signing at wr.
  16. Matw

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    I still think signing TO for one season with an option for a second is a good idea. He'd be the perfect player to line up on the other side opposite Moss. We could then focus on the defense with our first few picks and then work on our WR core a little deeper in the draft.

    I believe Brandon Graham won the MVP award in the Senior Bowl last week. We could do a lot worse. :idea2:
  17. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    In recent years, some wideouts have had success in their rookie years. Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Donnie Avery, Johnny Knox, Austin Collie, Hakeem Nicks, Mike Wallace, Davone Bess, Michael Crabtree, Mohammed Massoqui...just to name a few. These are all guys we could've drafted, and MOST of them (except for Crabtree) share one thing in common - which is that they aren't your prototypical #1 wideout in terms of size or 40 speed, but are known for their ability to separate. They are quick, they can run routes and get open.

    The Patriots will have plenty of opportunity to draft a guy like that this year who could come in and be a huge improvement over Aiken. Heck, Tate - if he didn't get hurt again - might've been just that. I like how Gilyard looks, and if he's there with one of our 2nd rounders, I might hope we pull the trigger on that.
  18. Rob0729

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    Most of the guys you listed were not first round picks. Many weren't even drafted in the second or third round. Only a few of them were first round value after the fact even if they weren't taken in the first round.

    The Pats can get a WR in the later rounds. The Pats don't need to spend a first on a WR. WR depth was the problem this year and you don't get WR depth in the first or second round. With Welker a question mark, a starter may be needed, but Edelman with a year under his belt and an offseason working with Brady might make him 90-95% of Welker in year two.

    I still think the Pats' top priority is the front seven of the defense. They need a DE, two OLBs, and an ILB. The Pats need to stop relying on the offense to win games.
  19. Rob0729

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    But do you need to use a high draft pick or a draft pick at all. Jabbar Gaffney was excellent depth and he was a journeyman WR.
  20. Warren94

    Warren94 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    true, I am thinking one of the second round picks for a wr. we need speed at wr and there is a ton of it coming out in this draft.
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