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  1. Lifer

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    Who cares the economy stinks and the war has been a mess?

    Sarah Palin is a sassy lady, a no-nonsense mom! you go girl! thats whats important to Americans.


    brilliant :rolleyes:
     
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    #12 Jersey

    And Obama/Biden will do what exactly to change that?
     
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    My economy is bad so therefore I will be voting Obama, the last 4 years are horrendous and McCain will continue that. :eek:
     
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    #12 Jersey

    You seem to be very young. Would you say you get a lot of pro Democrat or ant-Republican or GWB talk from your teachers at school? I'm a long time out of school so I'm just curious. I hear this is going on. I'm no fan of GWB myself but, I can't stand zealots.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Increasing the size of government and taxes isn't the way to get out of an economic slowdown - and here's something to remember : George Bush isn't on the ballot.
     
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    And gutting the military. If Obama is elected people will beg for the good ole days of 1979.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Not just the outward military but also the intelligence that Clinton gutted. We had no human intelligence on the ground in dangerous countries when Clinton left.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    Increasing or decreasing the size of the government or lowering taxes isn't the answer either. We've had vibrant, healthy economic cycles when taxes were decreased AND increased. They're 2 separate issues.

    If you look at the US and worldwide economies, there is instability based upon incredible imbalance. In every macro-segment of the economic machine, we can find huge imbalances.

    -world currencies
    -stock prices vs. profit
    -Home prices vs incomes
    -The federal deficit

    All of these desperately need to find their NATURAL balance or we'll have continued volatility. Which ever candidate gets elected, all eyes will be upon him. And the ironic thing is, no president except maybe FDR has or will have a significant impact on economic trends. They are not supposed to. At least in a free-market, capitalistic society where natural laws of supply & demand guide the markets.
     
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    his policies are, as thats what will continue.

    I dont know about you, but we were in much better shape after 8 years of Clinton than we are after 8 years of GWB.
     
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    We were fine until your buddies the death eating democrats took control of congress and you know it.
     
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    Niether of whom are on the ballot.

    Lifer, please tell me what the Obam-uh/Biden ticket is going to do to improve the economy?

    Now tell me what McLame/Palin is going to do to destroy it?
     
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    #12 Jersey

    You expect an answer from someone who doesn't even know the economy started it's nose dive in early 2000 when his hero was still the president?
     
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    #24 Jersey

    Free market capitalism, my ass! Privatized profits and socailized losses is the norm. Jimmy Rogers said we are more of a communist country than China. The USA is the greatest country in the world, if you're a super-wealthy c**ksucker.
     
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    Well look, I give Bill Clinton props for being a pretty good president. He was smart enough not to radicalize any of his positions. Personally, I think he was fortunate enough to, as was the nation as a whole, sit on perfect conditions. Those being $10-15 oil, no Cold War (or real enemy), and the bounce up from out of a recession. Regardless though, he deserves credit.

    That being said, my question still stands for Lifer. What will the Obam-uh/Biden ticket is going to do to improve the economy, and what will McLame/Palin do to destroy it?
     
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    He was smart enough not to radicalize any of his positions Yeah he do squat. So deserves squat for credit.
     
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    You sound like my brother. The man deserves credit. I may not like him personally, but that doesn't take away from looking at his presidency objectively.
     
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    I do look at it objectively. Other than allow the sale of top secret military technology used for ICBMs to China and give top secret clearance to a page for his private pleasure what the hell did he ever do?
     
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    Why does Clinton "deserve credit"?

    Refused to sign welfare reform until Dick Morris told him to sign or lose the election.

    Refused to open drilling in ANWAR in 1995. He said it would take 10 years and who would need oil in 2005?

    Great 1993 tax plan. Anyone remember the "luxury boat tax"? Read a poll saying that lowering capital gains is popular. Signed the bill after repeated refusals.

    Al Queda is a police matter. We were safer in the 1990's when we were getting hit every couple of months with terrorist attacks?
     
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    we were fine??? in 2006?? ok. :rolleyes:
     
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    Clinton was very wise to focus on deficit reduction, which gave confidence to Wall Street. Bush comes in, declares to everyone we are headed for a recession, which drove the markets down, he cuts taxes, increases military spending, gets us into Iraq, this country's version of what the Afgan war was to the Soviets in the 80's, and what was once a surplus is now a disaster.

    What McCain will do is just continue the Bush strategy. Plus have You Go Girl one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

    Great. 4 more years of this. If thats what America wants it deserves it.
     

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