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  1. Michael

    Michael Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    #12 Jersey

    Do you play poker on line? If so where and what is your take on it?
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    I play on ABSOLUTEPOKER,The most.
    Have tried many of the others.
    If just playing for fun sure,If playing for real money it must be done face to face my opinion.
    It might be fun if a table could be reserved for "patsfans posters only"
    Just for bragging rights(or maybe small dollars for the upkeep of the site or a agreed upon charity(such as miguels)Just a thought:)
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    Michael Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    #12 Jersey

    When I play I play on pokerstars. I've tried all the major ones over the years but, pokerstars has the most free play. I have played 1000s of hours in casino poker rooms. When I lived in Las Vegas I played at The Orleans every day. The C0cktail waitresses use to bring me my S.Pellegrino with slice of lime without even asking me. That's when you know you've spent too much time in a poker room LOL. I still play at Foxwoods but, not nearly as often. Since it's an hour drive away.

    The reason I asked the question was that I am convinced on-line poker is rigged. Yet, very few agree with my assessment. Which surprises me when you see the number of bad beats you see on-line. And how there is ALWAYS one seat that will win a ridiculously high percentage of the hands. People always say it happens in real poker too. And my experience is it happens sometimes but, not often. And certainly not every time you sit at a table. I played last night and one seat (and I'm not exaggerating here) won 15 out of the first 20 hands dealt. In another game one seat was dealt a straight flush and 4 of a kind 2 hands later. You will also go an hour without seeing a single pocket pair from anyone. then you are dealt QQ. And surprise 3 other players are dealt pocket pairs in the same hand and usually the one with 77 or 99 hits a set on the flop. The way on-line poker turns extraordinary events into the norm just baffles me how people can not think it has to be rigged.
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    Have lost with quad kings on line,but i still don't think it's rigged.
    I do think the cards go in cycles,and you have to be patient (saving chips for that)
    I too lived in vegas for a while and survived on cash games alone.
    Just my opinion(on-line) but when your catching(over bet)when your not wait for someone else to do that.
    Much harder to judge on line(almost have to play limit poker at a no limit table)for early play.
    Still don't think it's rigged(although there can be exceptions)but still think the best poker is face to face.
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    Michael Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    #12 Jersey

    Just played in a freeroll. I did not get 1 playable hand dealt to me. All 85 72 offsuit etc. Less than 10 minutes into it I get dealt JJ. I knew it was a set up but when the software is set to set you up you're going to lose no matter what. Notice that not only was the deal a complete set-up but the one player who had been winning (note stack) won again. But, it's random. :rofl:

    PokerStars Game #7663911299: Tournament #38701490, 200+15 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/12/29 - 15:07:52 (ET)
    Table '38701490 241' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: marcpool (1230 in chips)
    Seat 2: Me [Name Changed] (1400 in chips)
    Seat 3: dwpwife (2090 in chips)
    Seat 4: slimpappy (1470 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: burnszy (1470 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 6: T.S. Elliot (1080 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 7: mike_earl (1480 in chips)
    Seat 8: rumnet (1390 in chips)
    Seat 9: Jack Doggie (1470 in chips) is sitting out
    marcpool: posts small blind 10
    Me [Name Changed]posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Me [Name Changed] [Jc Js]
    dwpwife: raises 40 to 60
    slimpappy: folds
    burnszy: folds
    T.S. Elliot: folds
    mike_earl: raises 150 to 210
    rumnet: calls 210
    Jack Doggie: folds
    marcpool: folds
    Me [Name Changed]raises 700 to 910
    dwpwife: calls 850
    mike_earl: raises 570 to 1480 and is all-in
    rumnet: calls 1180 and is all-in
    Me [Name Changed]calls 490 and is all-in
    dwpwife: calls 570
    *** FLOP *** [Qh 2h 4d]
    *** TURN *** [Qh 2h 4d] [6s]
    *** RIVER *** [Qh 2h 4d 6s] [4c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    dwpwife: shows [Kc Kd] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
    mike_earl: shows [9s 9d] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
    dwpwife collected 160 from side pot-2
    Me [Name Changed]shows [Jc Js] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
    mike_earl is sitting out
    dwpwife collected 30 from side pot-1
    rumnet: shows [Td Qd] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
    burnszy has returned
    dwpwife collected 5570 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 5760 Main pot 5570. Side pot-1 30. Side pot-2 160. | Rake 0
    Board [Qh 2h 4d 6s 4c]
    Seat 1: marcpool (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 2: Me [Name Changed] (big blind) showed [Jc Js] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
    Seat 3: dwpwife showed [Kc Kd] and won (5760) with two pair, Kings and Fours
    Seat 4: slimpappy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: burnszy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: T.S. Elliot folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: mike_earl showed [9s 9d] and lost with two pair, Nines and Fours
    Seat 8: rumnet showed [Td Qd] and lost with two pair, Queens and Fours
    Seat 9: Jack Doggie (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    The table then closed.
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    Is there a way to stop one person from using multiple accounts and proxies to control 4 of the 5 seats at a particular table? It seems to me that if you stumble into that situation, you're going to get cleaned out and I don't see how the house could prevent it.
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    No there isn't. And that is another reason I would never play for real money on-line. You better believe there are groups from Russian mafia to frats here in the US that are all playing together. Either in the same room using a router and several computers or in different locations and talking via phone or IM. The poker sites should only allow you to choose what game you want to play and then randomly sit you. That would at least cut down on that. But, as long as they're using a stacked deck I don't think they really care who plays and where they play.
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    I used to play online. But I realized that I could read people's tells at home games pretty well so now I only play in home games or casinos.
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    I have been playing poker online for a while now.
    Probably 4 years or so.

    I've played at Pacific, Partypoker, Paradise and now Full Tilt.

    Make a little money here and there but nothing great, unfortunately


    it is NOT rigged.

    The reason you see so many bad beats and ridiculous hands is b/c online you see so many more hands and get dealt so many more hands an hour. Online poker is several times faster than live poker, thus u see more hands, and the bad beats and ridiculous hands will come sooner and sooner.
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    Michael Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I've heard that rationale before. It still wouldn't explain why you constantly see 3 to 5 players all get pocket pairs and/or AK at the same time. After an hour of none getting a pocket pair suddenly you see this:
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    It also doesn't explain why 1 or 2 out of the 9 seats at EVERY table will win 50% or more of all hands dealt. People love to say they have seen that happen in real game too. And I agree. In the 1000s of hours of play in casino poker rooms I have seen people get hot. They win hand after hand. But, it was never the norm. On-line there is ALWAYS 1 or 2 seats at every table that just win hand after hand no matter how bad their starting cards or how few outs they have (i.e. only way they can win is to get one of two As left in the deck. And bingo A on the river).

    Take a look at these hands in a row.

    PokerStars Game #7719275204: Tournament #39200136, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2007/01/01 - 20:55:41 (ET
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Salty Wampus: shows [Ah Js 6d 2c] (HI: two pair, Aces and Deuces; LO: 6,4,3,2,A)
    KAINER7: mucks hand
    Salty Wampus collected 11700 from pot
    Salty Wampus collected 11700 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 23400 | Rake 0
    Board [2h Ac 7d 4d 3c]
    Seat 1: der-sturm (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 2: wotrab (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: NE_Pats_54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: jeanfe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: KAINER7 mucked [4s 9s 9h 3h]
    Seat 7: adman4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JonEThunders folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: Salty Wampus (button) showed [Ah Js 6d 2c] and won (23400) with HI: two pair, Aces and Deuces; LO: 6,4,3,2,A

    PokerStars Game #7719301061: Tournament #39200136, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2007/01/01 - 20:57:04 (ET)
    Salty Wampus collected 12075 from pot
    Salty Wampus: shows [4c 9c Js 2h] (HI: three of a kind, Nines)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 12075 | Rake 0
    Board [9s 6s Ts 9d]
    Seat 1: der-sturm (button) folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: wotrab (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: NE_Pats_54 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: eyefish2good folded on the Turn
    Seat 5: jeanfe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: KAINER7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: adman4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JonEThunders folded on the Turn
    Seat 9: Salty Wampus collected (12075)

    PokerStars Game #7719331174: Tournament #39200136, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2007/01/01 - 20:58:43 (ET)
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Salty Wampus: shows [3c 3d 9d 7s] (HI: a straight, Six to Ten)
    KAINER7: shows [Jd 3s Td 4c] (HI: a pair of Tens; LO: 8,7,6,4,3)
    Salty Wampus collected 22175 from side pot
    KAINER7 collected 22175 from side pot
    adman4: shows [3h 5h As 2c] (HI: high card Ace; LO: 8,7,6,2,A)
    Salty Wampus collected 27542 from main pot
    adman4 collected 27541 from main pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 99433 Main pot 55083. Side pot 44350. | Rake 0
    Board [6s 8h Tc 7d Qh]
    Seat 1: der-sturm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: wotrab (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: NE_Pats_54 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: eyefish2good (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: jeanfe folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: KAINER7 showed [Jd 3s Td 4c] and won (22175) with HI: a pair of Tens; LO: 8,7,6,4,3
    Seat 7: adman4 showed [3h 5h As 2c] and won (27541) with HI: high card Ace; LO: 8,7,6,2,A
    Seat 8: JonEThunders folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: Salty Wampus showed [3c 3d 9d 7s] a

    PokerStars Game #7719431029: Tournament #39200136, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2007/01/01 - 21:04:11 (ET)
    Salty Wampus collected 17900 from pot
    Salty Wampus: shows [Qs 3s 9h Ac] (HI: a straight, Eight to Queen)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 17900 | Rake 0
    Board [Ts Qc 5d Jd 8c]
    Seat 1: der-sturm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: wotrab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: NE_Pats_54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: eyefish2good (button) folded on the Turn
    Seat 5: jeanfe (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: KAINER7 (big blind) folded on the River
    Seat 7: adman4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JonEThunders folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: Salty Wampus collected (17900)

    PokerStars Game #7719469063: Tournament #39200136, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2007/01/01 - 21:06:17 (ET)
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 158700 | Rake 0
    Board [Jc Ts Jh 3s 9c]
    Seat 1: der-sturm mucked [As Th 5d Ah]
    Seat 2: wotrab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: NE_Pats_54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: eyefish2good folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: jeanfe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: KAINER7 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 7: adman4 (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: JonEThunders folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: Salty Wampus showed [8s 2s Jd 3c] and won (158700) with HI: a full house, Jacks full of Threes

    PokerStars Game #7719541041: Tournament #39200136, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2007/01/01 - 21:10:08 (ET)
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Salty Wampus: shows [Ts Th Ad Td] (HI: a full house, Tens full of Nines)
    der-sturm: mucks hand
    Salty Wampus collected 130800 from pot
    No low hand qualified
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 130800 | Rake 0
    Board [8h 9h 2d 9d Tc]
    Seat 1: der-sturm mucked [7c Jc 5h Jh]
    Seat 2: wotrab folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: NE_Pats_54 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: eyefish2good folded before Flop
    Seat 5: jeanfe folded on the River
    Seat 6: KAINER7 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: adman4 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: JonEThunders (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 9: Salty Wampus (big blind) showed [Ts Th Ad Td] and won (130800) with HI: a full house, Tens full of Nines

    You can't say with any certainty that "it's not rigged". I can't prove that it is. By my experience with real play with a real deck vs. what I see on-line has me convinced it is either rigged or at the very least very flawed and not remotely random.
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    This is why I have such a hard time believing conspiracy theorists... How am I supposed to believe what you say when you have absolutely no hard data but you engage in such hyperbole based on anecdotal evidence...? What exactly does "constantly" mean in your above statement..? Has every single hand you've played in had 3 players with pocket pairs...?

    The odds of 3 or more players on a 9 seat table getting pocket pairs in any given hand is roughly 4 percent. So it is something you should expect to see 2 or 3 times an hour in online play. (And I am not even going to bother calculating the odds of 3 or more players getting pocket pairs or A-K in any one given hand, but it is probably around 7%).

    I've played a lot of poker and I've seen some strange stuff both on line and in person. At Foxwoods, I once saw a dude get KK, the dude next to him got AA and the dude next to him got KK. All 3 went all-in before the flop so the dude with AA couldn't lose unless something ridiculous happened like the community cards came up a straight or flush or something like that (and even then he probably wouldn't lose, it would just result in a split pot).
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    Again, it has to do with the fact that SO MANY hands are going on so quicky, you are bound to run into a few with 3 people getting pocket pairs. When that happens, there is a chance someone with 77 might get a set. it happens.

    Believe me i have thought about it being rigged before. I have lost every way imaginable except the Sr8 flush losing to a Royal Flush... but everything else.


    All it comes down to is that they don't need to rig it. They make so much damn money from everyone playing on there, that there is no need for them to rig tournaments and cash games. They just sit there and collect their money.

    The chance of "rigging it" and getting caught somehow and shut down is far to great when they don't give a rat's ass who wins anyways.
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    They do do that. It's called tournaments. Once the tournament starts, the seating assignments are random.

    If you really want to try and improve your poker game against real opponents, you can't play for pretend money. Everyone in a pretend money game is just an idiot betting and raising with crap in their hands. It took me about 60 seconds to quit playing for pretend money since it is no better than playing against a 4 year old.

    If you want to gain some experience in reasonably serious games, just play in $1.25 sit-n-go tournaments. The players in these tournaments are going to play serious poker (albeit somewhat agressively) since there is money at stake - but even if there is some collusion, you're not losing your rent money at $1.25 for 1-3 hours of playing poker.
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    From your replies I can see you haven't read what I wrote. I lived in Las Vegas and played EVERY day. In tournaments and live games. I have not gone a week without playing at least 1 night in a real game with a real deck in over 20 years. I no more need to "gain some experience in reasonably serious games" anymore than anyone else who has played as many hours as I have. I will NEVER play for real money on-line until I see some randomness in the deal. The only reason I ever play on-line is because I still like the action. So when I can't get down to Foxwoods and just want to play a little I will play in a freeroll. You can call what I have posted anecdotal but, also as I have already said, you don't see these things as the norm in real poker room. You always see it as the norm on-line. As far as they have no reason to do it they absolutely have a reason to do it. The more bad beat situations they create the more very large pots and the bigger rakes for the house. As far as being shut down who is going to shut them down? Who is even regulating them? They're not based in the US.
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    You very first post that opened this thread was "Do you play poker on line? If so where and what is your take on it?" I responded with my opinion that they are not rigged and they are a great place to get decent experience for cheap money and I suggested a manner by which that could be accomplished. Don't get all defensive at me just because you are convinced there is some grand worldwide conspiracy to rob you of your $25.

    (CLARIFICATION: While I am saying the games themselves are legit, I am not saying collusion doesn't take place. But collusion is certainly not limited to only the online world).

    Again with the hyperbole. What does "you always see it as the norm on-line" mean..? I have played a hell of a lot of online poker and I can say with absolute certainty that there is no "norm" that involves the things you describe. If you play enough, you're going to see some strange stuff. In fact, it would be abnormal not to see some bad beats every once in a while.

    Even if we accept the bad beats do generate bigger rakes, do you really think an online site is going to systematically cheat people to raise their rakes by 1% or 2%...? They would literally go out of business the next day if they were ever caught. It's a risk/reward equation. The risk just ain't worth the reward.

    I have my own fair share of casino experience and I wish I had a dime for every time some gambler complained about how unfair everything was to him when whatever he was complaining about was simply not true. For example, hearing someone complain at a BJ table "I haven't gotten an ace in 30 minutes sitting here!" when the fact is that they have gotten at least a half dozen in the past 10 minutes.
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    Well I didn't think I was getting defensive. I was only responding to the statement "gain some experience in reasonably serious games". I have more than an average level of experience playing poker in casinos and I thought I had already made that point. But, clearly I see the on-line deal one way and you see it another.
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    First two hands of the tournament. 1 seat favored as usual. Don't tell me it's not rigged.

    PokerStars Game #7818529483: Tournament #39200227, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/01/07 - 18:02:00 (ET)
    Table '39200227 133' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: hoffamyer (1500 in chips)
    Seat 2: fortunaone (1500 in chips)
    Seat 3: shezee (1500 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: alfie225 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: meccadunn (1500 in chips)
    Seat 6: gudysgirl (1500 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 7: miltonspizza (1500 in chips)
    Seat 8: galozus (1500 in chips)
    Seat 9: NE_Pats_54 (1500 in chips)
    fortunaone: posts small blind 10
    shezee: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to NE_Pats_54 [Jc 4h 2c 3s]
    alfie225: folds
    meccadunn: calls 20
    gudysgirl: folds
    shezee has returned
    miltonspizza: calls 20
    galozus: calls 20
    NE_Pats_54: calls 20
    hoffamyer: calls 20
    fortunaone: raises 140 to 160
    shezee: folds
    meccadunn: calls 140
    miltonspizza: calls 140
    galozus: calls 140
    NE_Pats_54: folds
    hoffamyer: calls 140
    *** FLOP *** [Qh 9d 8s]
    fortunaone: bets 840
    meccadunn: calls 840
    shezee said, "thx, gl 2 u 2"
    miltonspizza: folds
    galozus: folds
    hoffamyer: calls 840
    *** TURN *** [Qh 9d 8s] [8d]
    fortunaone: bets 500 and is all-in
    meccadunn: calls 500 and is all-in
    hoffamyer: folds
    *** RIVER *** [Qh 9d 8s 8d] [9s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    fortunaone: shows [Js Tc Ah Qc] (HI: a straight, Eight to Queen)
    meccadunn: shows [9c 5s 4d 3d] (HI: three of a kind, Nines)
    fortunaone collected 4360 from pot
    No low hand qualified
    Eggslinger is connected
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4360 | Rake 0
    Board [Qh 9d 8s 8d 9s]
    Seat 1: hoffamyer (button) folded on the Turn
    Seat 2: fortunaone (small blind) showed [Js Tc Ah Qc] and won (4360) with HI: a straight, Eight to Queen
    Seat 3: shezee (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: alfie225 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: meccadunn showed [9c 5s 4d 3d] and lost with HI: three of a kind, Nines
    Seat 6: gudysgirl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: miltonspizza folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: galozus folded on the Flop
    Seat 9: NE_Pats_54 folded before Flop

    PokerStars Game #7818561592: Tournament #39200227, 300+20 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/01/07 - 18:03:46 (ET)
    Table '39200227 133' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: hoffamyer (500 in chips)
    Seat 2: fortunaone (4360 in chips)
    Seat 3: shezee (1480 in chips)
    Seat 4: alfie225 (1500 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 5: Eggslinger (1500 in chips)
    Seat 6: gudysgirl (1500 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 7: miltonspizza (1340 in chips)
    Seat 8: galozus (1340 in chips)
    Seat 9: NE_Pats_54 (1480 in chips)
    shezee: posts small blind 10
    alfie225: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to NE_Pats_54 [Kc 7c 9d Kh]
    Eggslinger: folds
    gudysgirl: folds
    miltonspizza: folds
    galozus: calls 20
    NE_Pats_54: calls 20
    hoffamyer: raises 90 to 110
    fortunaone: raises 130 to 240
    shezee: folds
    alfie225: folds
    shezee is sitting out
    galozus: calls 220
    NE_Pats_54: calls 220
    hoffamyer: raises 260 to 500 and is all-in
    fortunaone: calls 260
    galozus: raises 840 to 1340 and is all-in
    NE_Pats_54: calls 1100
    fortunaone: calls 840
    *** FLOP *** [6c Tc 2c]
    NE_Pats_54: bets 140 and is all-in
    fortunaone: calls 140
    *** TURN *** [6c Tc 2c] [5c]
    *** RIVER *** [6c Tc 2c 5c] [8c]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    NE_Pats_54: shows [Kc 7c 9d Kh] (HI: a flush, King high)
    fortunaone: shows [3c Qd 4c 9h] (HI: a straight flush, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,3,2)
    fortunaone collected 140 from side pot-2
    fortunaone collected 140 from side pot-2
    galozus: shows [6s 2s Ad 7s] (HI: two pair, Sixes and Deuces; LO: 7,6,5,2,A)
    fortunaone collected 1260 from side pot-1
    fortunaone collected 1260 from side pot-1
    hoffamyer: shows [3s 9s Ks 5s] (HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 8,6,5,3,2)
    fortunaone collected 1015 from main pot
    fortunaone collected 1015 from main pot
    Harold E J is connected
    ATOWNPIMP is connected
    bitta is connected
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4830 Main pot 2030. Side pot-1 2520. Side pot-2 280. | Rake 0
    Board [6c Tc 2c 5c 8c]
    Seat 1: hoffamyer showed [3s 9s Ks 5s] and lost with HI: a pair of Fives; LO: 8,6,5,3,2
    Seat 2: fortunaone (button) showed [3c Qd 4c 9h] and won (4830) with HI: a straight flush, Deuce to Six; LO: 6,5,4,3,2
    Seat 3: shezee (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: alfie225 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 5: Eggslinger folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: gudysgirl folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: miltonspizza folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: galozus showed [6s 2s Ad 7s] and lost with HI: two pair, Sixes and Deuces; LO: 7,6,5,2,A
    Seat 9: NE_Pats_54 showed [Kc 7c 9d Kh] and lost with HI: a flush, King high
  18. Michael

    Michael Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    #12 Jersey

    Look at the chip stacks. Is one seat favored?

    PokerStars Game #7834733688: Tournament #39776851, 200+15 Hold'em Pot Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2007/01/08 - 17:38:26 (ET)
    Table '39776851 196' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
    Seat 1: tahtalic (100851 in chips)
    Seat 2: clitsy (44012 in chips)
    Seat 3: Tootie35 (8420 in chips) is sitting out
    Seat 4: Kallenbomber (39474 in chips)
    Seat 5: |t's_R|GGED! (24547 in chips)
    Seat 6: Scorpio1_qt (30125 in chips)
    Seat 7: polanco75 (16257 in chips)
    Seat 8: bill24680 (12534 in chips)
    Seat 9: celina1807 (42730 in chips)
    tahtalic: posts small blind 400
    clitsy: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to |t's_R|GGED! [Ad Ac]
    Tootie35: folds
    Kallenbomber: calls 800
    |t's_R|GGED!: raises 800 to 1600
    Scorpio1_qt: folds
    polanco75: calls 1600
    bill24680: folds
    celina1807: folds
    tahtalic: calls 1200
    clitsy: calls 800
    Kallenbomber: calls 800
    *** FLOP *** [6h Qs 5d]
    tahtalic: bets 800
    clitsy: folds
    Kallenbomber: calls 800
    |t's_R|GGED!: raises 10400 to 11200
    polanco75: folds
    tahtalic: raises 31200 to 42400
    Kallenbomber: folds
    |t's_R|GGED!: calls 11747 and is all-in
    *** TURN *** [6h Qs 5d] [Js]
    *** RIVER *** [6h Qs 5d Js] [3h]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    tahtalic: shows [Qh 6d] (two pair, Queens and Sixes)
    |t's_R|GGED!: shows [Ad Ac] (a pair of Aces)
    tahtalic collected 54694 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 54694 | Rake 0
    Board [6h Qs 5d Js 3h]
    Seat 1: tahtalic (small blind) showed [Qh 6d] and won (54694) with two pair, Queens and Sixes
    Seat 2: clitsy (big blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: Tootie35 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: Kallenbomber folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: |t's_R|GGED! showed [Ad Ac] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 6: Scorpio1_qt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: polanco75 folded on the Flop
    Seat 8: bill24680 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: celina1807 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

    Always 1 seat favored. It can not be random.
  19. HAMMERMILL

    HAMMERMILL Rookie

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    You do make a compelling case but,
    I still don't think the site itself is fixed.
    The cards do often go in cycles,and yes I agrre what you've pointed out is extreme,but I see too little game for the site.
    While on-line "cash" games definetly have people working together,I still have a hard time believing the sites are involved.
    As I said before,I wouldn't play on-line for real money.At any site!

    I perfer to play face to face,No substitute for it.

    On a side note-
    I lived in vegas for a while and used to play alot out there in the casino's but Have never played poker at foxwoods.
    What's your take between the two?
    Thanks in advance.
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    Michael Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    #12 Jersey

    Last two hands in a Sit N Go

    PokerStars Game #7880155540: Tournament #40274642, 2000+110 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/01/11 - 12:44:07 (ET)
    Table '40274642 2' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 1: |t's_R|GGED! (2230 in chips)
    Seat 2: RivermeaCry (14155 in chips)
    Seat 4: OwensGE (3655 in chips)
    Seat 5: >RatzoRizzo< (2445 in chips)
    Seat 7: hierophany (4910 in chips)
    Seat 8: medd (4585 in chips)
    Seat 9: duckrd (8520 in chips)
    OwensGE: posts small blind 75
    >RatzoRizzo<: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to |t's_R|GGED! [Ks 6s]
    hierophany: folds
    medd: folds
    duckrd: calls 150
    |t's_R|GGED!: calls 150
    RivermeaCry: folds
    OwensGE: calls 75
    >RatzoRizzo<: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Jh Th Ad]
    OwensGE: checks
    >RatzoRizzo<: checks
    duckrd: checks
    |t's_R|GGED!: checks
    *** TURN *** [Jh Th Ad] [As]
    OwensGE: checks
    >RatzoRizzo<: checks
    duckrd: checks
    |t's_R|GGED!: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Jh Th Ad As] [3s]
    OwensGE: checks
    >RatzoRizzo<: checks
    duckrd: checks
    |t's_R|GGED!: checks
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    OwensGE: shows [Qc 3c] (two pair, Aces and Threes) <---- suited
    >RatzoRizzo<: mucks hand
    duckrd: shows [Kd 6d] (a pair of Aces) <---- K6 suited
    |t's_R|GGED!: shows [Ks 6s] (a pair of Aces) <---- K6 suited
    OwensGE collected 600 from pot
    |t's_R|GGED!
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 600 | Rake 0
    Board [Jh Th Ad As 3s]
    Seat 1: |t's_R|GGED! showed [Ks 6s] and lost with a pair of Aces
    Seat 2: RivermeaCry (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: OwensGE (small blind) showed [Qc 3c] and won (600) with two pair, Aces and Threes
    Seat 5: >RatzoRizzo< (big blind) mucked [8d 6c]
    Seat 7: hierophany folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: medd folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: duckrd showed [Kd 6d] and lost with a pair of Aces


    PokerStars Game #7880165079: Tournament #40274642, 2000+110 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/01/11 - 12:44:58 (ET)
    Table '40274642 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: |t's_R|GGED! (2080 in chips)
    Seat 2: RivermeaCry (14155 in chips) <---- Far ahead chip leader (always 1 seat favored)
    Seat 4: OwensGE (4105 in chips)
    Seat 5: >RatzoRizzo< (2295 in chips)
    Seat 7: hierophany (4910 in chips)
    Seat 8: medd (4585 in chips)
    Seat 9: duckrd (8370 in chips)
    >RatzoRizzo<: posts small blind 75
    hierophany: posts big blind 150
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to |t's_R|GGED! [6d 6c]
    medd: calls 150
    duckrd: folds
    |t's_R|GGED!: raises 1930 to 2080 and is all-in
    RivermeaCry: calls 2080
    OwensGE: folds
    >RatzoRizzo<: folds
    hierophany: folds
    medd: folds
    *** FLOP *** [5s Qh 9d]
    *** TURN *** [5s Qh 9d] [4c]
    *** RIVER *** [5s Qh 9d 4c] [Jc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    |t's_R|GGED!: shows [6d 6c] (a pair of Sixes)
    RivermeaCry: shows [As Ac] (a pair of Aces)
    RivermeaCry collected 4535 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 4535 | Rake 0
    Board [5s Qh 9d 4c Jc]
    Seat 1: |t's_R|GGED! showed [6d 6c] and lost with a pair of Sixes<---- Pocket pairs are always dealt at the same time
    Seat 2: RivermeaCry showed [As Ac] and won (4535) with a pair of Aces <---- Always 1 seat favored
    Seat 4: OwensGE (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: >RatzoRizzo< (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: hierophany (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: medd folded before Flop
    Seat 9: duckrd folded before Flop (didn't bet)

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