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    in the offense this year? Once teams started to double cover him late in the season, and took him out of the play (and McDaniels seemed to make minimal attempt to make adjustments or changes in schemes to free Randy) his productivity and effectiveness dropped way off..........

    Since McDaniels isn't going anywhere....and teams will no doubt continue to do the same thing to "tie up" Randy......is anyone worried that we may not see that explosiveness much from him.......and if they don't find some way to get him involved.....will his positive attitude go south again........Appreciate your opinions.....
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    I'm more worried about Chad Jackson for that exact reason.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    I think Belichick is smart enough to step in if McDaniels doesnt make any attempt to make ajdustments.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Moss got open a lot against the NYG, but unfortunately Tom didn't have time to get him the ball most of the time. I'm most definitely not worried about Moss.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    I say whatever about any one persons effectiveness. If they double Randy then he is effective in that he opens up welker, or jackson/gaffney/watson to get the ball. As long as the team is effective then I'm a happy camper.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    What he said. Look at it this way -- on the last play of the last game of a 19-game season Moss still had enough in the tank to have beaten his man.

    Besides, Moss didn't come out of nowhere. He has been double- and triple-teamed since his rookie season.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Randy Moss 2007 season:

    First 8 games: 51 rec, 714 Yds (14.0 YPR), 12 TDs

    Last 8 games: 47 rec, 779 Yds (16.57 YPR), 11 TDs

    That said, he probably wasn't as consistently effective in the second half of the season, and certainly wasn't a big stat producer in the playoffs. However, there are other factors responsible for that (weather, the way teams defense the Pats).

    However, I wouldn't be the least worried about Randy. He opens up the offense, and he did that well all year long. His effect on the game goes beyond his numbers, and if teams want to take him away then other guys are going to have big games.

    As longs as the pass protection is there the passing game with flourish, as will Randy. I'm pretty certain of that.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    That's soooo true - In fact in the SB they (Giants) just dropped man coverage on him all together late in the game and went for the rush. It worked for them in the Super Bowl, but most teams will get lit up like a Christmas Tree if they do that to Randy and Tommy thru the season.

    Don't worry about Randy. He'll be great.

    I believe that late in the season as teams started game planning to stop Randy, we did not have a great answer to those scheme's.

    I think our coaches and QB are the best in the business, but when you have a weapon unlike any you have EVER had before, it hard to know how to use him.

    Bet everything you got that after a year with Randy (and Randy's input), Bill/Josh/Ernie/and Tommy will have PLENTY of answers for the competition this year.

    Bank on it........and embrace the hate in '08.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    The second half scores are skewed by one game - the Buffalo Sunday Night game.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Not worried at all. He's going to be less effective in the freezing cold, that's just how it is - any QB/WR combo will be as you hit the ice, snow, wind, etc, of winter. We need to be able to run the ball to have a diverse offense in the latter part of the season and playoffs. First half of the regular season, SB and the west coast 2nd half regular season games he should be as explosive as ever.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    The fact of the matter is this is the year that Chad Jackson needs to come to play or become a bust. The statement about teams double teaming Randy since he is a rookie are untrue. In Oakland, most teams handled him with single coverage as did teams against us throughout the first half of the regular season. Randy had a couple of huge games and the double coverage was right back on. He'll see it even more next year which is why Jackson has to develop into the downfield threat we drafted him to be in order to make defenses pay dearly when Moss is double teamed. If Stallworth did that more often last year, you would have seen more blowouts.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Yes, every defense that faces him
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    Can Moss make it through the another whole season without blowing a hamstring?

    I think the Pats S&C team needs to keep Moss stretched out all season because Welker, Gaffney and Jackson is not going to scare many defenses.
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    Well, make no doubt about it, while you may think that those three don't scare defenses - The guy passing to them scares the hell out of all them.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Best post of the day!
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    I didn't like Moss's performance during playoff games. Hopefully, we will see him catch the ball more.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Exactly. Moss will be fine and will probably come out on fire. I look for him to slow down the colder and more wet it becomes. thats why this team need a good balance of Maroney and a healthy Morris going into December.

    This team doesn't have to be statisticly better than last year, they have to become more balanced. They have to know how to beat conditions and be able to adapt based on what the defense will show them.

    I don't care about stats, but in terms of effectiveness, Moss will be plenty of. It will take C Jax to be a complete bust not to take advantage of the double teams. I don't care if Moss had 20 yards in the first 3 games. If the offense is scoring and the team is winning, everyone is doing their job.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    I am going to take balance two ways........first, as far as more effective running game to take the focus off of Brady a bit.

    Second as far as team balance with the defense becoming more dominant than they were last year. I think there is room for improvement on "D" and I think it will happen. A healthy Seymour alone would be HUGE all by itself.
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    Run the ball. The best coach in football usually tries to stuff the run and make you one dimensional so he can force you into mistakes,sacks /interceptions.

    Why do we make ourselves one dimensional? We let teams do to us just what we do to them.

    Balanced offense will allow Moss to bust 'em.

    Sorry-not used to people agreeing with me on this.
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    Yes, you are correct. We are all just drunk off the stats from last year and want a repeat performance (with a different ending ;) ).
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Adjustments will be made, we have the best coaching staff in the league.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Amen to that brother!!

    :rocker::rocker:
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    Did you see game 1 where he beat triple coverage to score a TD? There's no reason to get nervous. If anything he'll do better next year.
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    People forget that lingering injuries last summer severely limited the reps that Randy had in camp and in the preseason, not just in preseason games but in practices too.

    I think that he will be used more creatively this year, lining up more often in different places. If you put him in motion, switch sides, or have him shift to the slot now and then, defenses will be crapping their pants.

    Knowing the system, McDaniel knowing his tendencies, and an improved running game should all combine to make Randy's role in the offense far less predictable this year. I don't expect nearly the season TD total, but I don't expect to see the playoff numbers either.

    Also we won't have that bogus "he hurt his secret girlfriend" BS thrown at him either.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    Yeah lets hope so .. you know for a fact this years "blueprint" will be bump and run coverage on Moss/Welker and a pass rush on the right side of the line

    The whole 30 yards downfield to Moss play was overdone last year and id like to see both him and the other wideout (Gaffney or Jackson?) running slants, quick outs, hitches etc where you would think Moss would excel given his heght and catching abaility. I can see they did that to an extent to open it up underneath for Welker and the guy coming out of the flats (Faulk etc) but i'd like to see them use more short plays and make more use of the TE's

    If we'd called more short plays like that in the SB wed have done better but it seemed a very one dimensional play book that day
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    One thing I sometimes wonder about Moss is if he's aggressive/physical enough to fight through tight coverage, especially late in the season in cold weather. I wouldn't expect him to consistently beat double coverage, but by the same token I wouldn't expect him to completely disappear like he did for periods late last year.
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    not really worried....I might be a touch worried he wont be as effective as last year but who can expect last year every year. He will be plenty effective and I am not really worried.
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    Not really worried at all for several reasons:

    1.) Moss has already been quoted that McDaniels is planning to use him a lot differently this season than last year. More over the middle stuff and more in motion routes.
    2.) Weather played a factor in some of his lack of production in games. Both the Baltimore and Jets games were horrible games for the deep game.
    3.) McDaniels successfully utilized other weapons and used Moss as a decoy. Look at the Jacksonville game. Brady broke the completion percentage record and got three TDs, Maroney had a big game, and the Pats scored on every drive other than 2 (one missed field goal and a garbage time drive to run out the clock). The only game it didn't work was the Super Bowl, but as pointed out, Moss and Stallworth were getting open a lot, but Brady didn't have the time to get the ball to him.
    4.) With both Maroney and Sammy Morris healthy, I expect the offense to be more balanced. We aren't going to see as much of the Tom and Randy show because the Pats will run much more with a one-two punch of Maroney and Morris. Conversely, the running game will also force teams to not double and triple team Moss nearly as much.
    5.) Moss struggled against CBs who can jam him at the line and there just aren't that many physical CBs out there.

    I don't expect Moss to have as good of a year as last year this season, but I don't think the offense will suffer for it. I think the Pats will just be more balance on offense.
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    True...but lets say he got 2 TDs in that game instead of 4, what does that give him, 9 for the 2nd half?? Which projects to 18 TDs, tied for 2nd alltime and an easy all-Pro season. Even if you cherry pick and project Randy's second half stats starting with his "rough patch" in Philly he would still project to having a 14 TD season. Moss is 2nd half performance has been drastically exaggerated in the past couple of months, probably because of his performances against Jax and SD in the playoffs, which weren't his fault, especially against the Jags..
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    Re: Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness....

    "Anyone nervous about Moss' effectiveness...."


    Um.........NOPE.
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