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  1. DisgruntledTunaFan

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    Other than that gift INT, both looked pretty lackluster tonight.

    Big props to Belichick/Pioli-continues to make the right movies...especially during tough times.
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    Dallas has an offense that will make the best secondary look average - They will be hard to stop come playoff time

    Tough times? - Last time I looked New England was 2-0 thus far - Sure Brady's loss is horrific but Tough Times? - not at this point

    You want tough times? St. Louis and Miami say hi
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    Don't miss him at all. Glad he 'got paid', just not by us :D
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    how soon we forget. defense wins championships. last year pats fans were reminded of that. we should know better. 2001 the greatest show on turf also bit the dust.
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    Well-Lito/Sheldon have given TO and our WRs matchup nightmares since Owens came to Dallas, FWIW.

    I know Samuels is not a man-man shutdown corner, but when you add him into the mix with Lito/Sheldon, one would think this trio in one defensive backfield is pretty scary.

    Like I said-I was shocked to see how poorly they played(although their safeties Dawkins, Mickels, and Considine looked worse). Sure, the Eagles couldn't generate much of a pass rush, but when you have a defensive backfield with Lito, Sheldon, Asante, and Dawkins, conventional wisdom says you have the luxury to do anything.
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    For two teams claiming to have defenses, that game was terrible. I thought team scores might hit 50 or 60 by the end of the game.

    Other than a pick I thought anyone could make given the fact no Cowboy could have caught the pass thrown by Romo, I was not overly impressed by Samuel. I would have liked to see him flop much harder, but I think his role in that suspect secondary last night was good enough for now.
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    Seriously, those scores were like video game numbers!

    That makes a more exciting game, I guess, but low scores should tell you something about defensive quality.
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    Would I like them? Sure, I still think either would be an upgrade. Were the Pats right not to pay too much when their priorities were in other positions? Almost certainly - after all that has been the key to the whole BB/Piolli era.
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    Where was the "vaunted" pass rush from either defense? With 93 seemingly healthy, can anyone say Dallas can compare with our front 3? I wonder if Dallas can play a game where they don't have 15 penalties.

    I would have to say NY and Green Bay are the class of the NFC.
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    Romo completed 21 of 30 for 312 yards, 3 TDs, and 1 INT. That secondary looked less than average.

    You can't draw too many conclusions based on just one game, but I still maintain that the man centric defense that the Eagles like to run as their base is not suited for Samuel. His INT was in a zone on a poorly thrown ball.
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    It's one game, but that's a microcosm of why Samuel is overpaid (not overrated, just overpaid).

    He gets an interception on a poorly thrown ball. He gets nine more of those this year and people in Philly will say, "See? That's why we paid him!". But any CB making $9m per season better be covering TO in that game or he's not worth that much. He doesn't have to stop him every time (who could?), but the fact that he's not even playing him most of the time tells me that's not a good use of $9m worth of cap space.
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    Exactly. And in man he netted a PI in the EZ which became 7 a couple of rushes later. And that was with Philly's pass rush actually getting pretty decent pressure on Romo that led to some idiotic throws and a fumble.

    That game was little more than mildly controlled chaos. But it made ESPN and all the talking heads giddy because empty passing stats are what they salivate over. Unless of course their ours...

    Reid still inexplicably refuses to address the running game beyond Westbrook, whom they will eventually kill. His eggs remain in McNabb's basket which has never been a good place to keep something as fragile as a late lead. Jones at least grasps that while his team can regain leads lost to foolishness they need a component/capacity to facilitate safeguarding those regained leads late. That's Barber.
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    How disgusting do they get, eh?

    Though I would argue that their problem with our scoring plays is we weren't inept enough on defense to let the other team score right after. It wasn't "good" football to watch. It was a far superior team showing it had players on BOTH sides of the ball.

    What we saw last night was two teams trying to out flash each other. Innuendo somewhat intended.
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    No kidding. At one point after Romo and TO hooked up for the TD they were all peeing their pants over how Reid would now have to let sensitive Donovan get even because of the history between all these egomaniacal jerks...

    Sorry, it's no way to run a franchise/organization/team. I always gag at the comparisons between us and Philly...
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    It was one game between two quality teams. Had everyone criticizing here watched those same two teams last week, the commentary would be about how those two teams will be facing off in the NFCCG. Either team from last night would have destroyed the Patriots 'teams' of the past two weeks.
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    I miss him. Don't forget, the Patriots franchised him in 2007, so they thought he was worth at least the $7M+ they paid him last year. I think this offense is going to need more possessions per game than last year's, so I think a ball-hawking DB would come in quite handy right about now.
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    Whenever our guys give up a pass play - it was the scheme, lack of pressure, that is how their supposed to play. Why isn't that the same for the Eagles?

    The truth is, CB is an overrated and overpaid spot in today's NFL. The rules have made it impossible to cover anyone without a pass rush.

    The Eagles got virtually no pressure on Tony Romo. There is not a DB in football who can cover under those circumstances nevermind cover against quality guys like TO or Witten.

    It is not just Lito and Asante, when Denver couldn't get to Phillip Rivers on Sunday, Chris Chambers was torching Champ Bailey. Antonio Cromartie was nothing without Shawn Merriman. I think Brandon Marshall just caught another pass on him.
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    I've heard that before... only I'm not easily seduced. Years of Belichick have actually altered my perception of/read of what constitutes a championship caliber football team for the better...


    Bill puts this team in a posistion to capitalize on mistaked made by undisciplined teams like these. Remember the Buffalo Dallas game last year? Dallas giddily shook off that near disaster and went on ONCE AGAIN to one and done in the playoffs because they never correct the mistakes in favor of just glossing over them. Same deal in Philly.
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    Well, I don't know about you guys but that was a really interesting game to watch.
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