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  1. JSn

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    ...as emergency OLB's? I haven't seen the back-up's in action much and don't know their history. If we end up in a scramble for OLB's, who do you think best fits the bill?
     
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    Come on dude, that there's crazy talk. None of them could play linebacker.
     
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    OLBs need to cover RBs and TEs. The only possible candidate, Jarvis Green the quick pass rusher DE is most likely not agile enough for that role.
     
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    Alright. I just wondered about it, because we seem to like converting DE's to OLB. I wondered if it could work the other way around.

    I wasn't suggesting Wilfork or anything, I'm not that daft... lol.
     
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    BB would just bring Robertson and Craig up from the Practice Squad. Guyton had quality reps at OLB after Woods went down, Colvin is just here to backstop him and Seau is here to backstop Bruschi.
     
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    Vince Wilfork for sure, I think he played a little QB in pop warner.
     
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    Nah. He's the emergency RB. Remember that oft posted photo of him running downfield with the fumble while striking the Heisman pose?
     
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    Uh, I think this point needs a poll... [​IMG]
     
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    Vince has a wicked pissah crossover step.
     
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    Ouch. I shall haunt thee. And stuff.
     
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    Really...the only one who HAS is Green...he started against Miami in 03 as an OLB....
     
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    There is a difference between the converted LBs (like Willie or Tedy) who played DE in college and the tweener defensive lineman from other system like Jason Taylor who have the build of a LB but are used as speed rushers on the ends and therefore can play both roles with some success.

    The 3-4 defensive linemen are big dudes designed to take on one or more 300+ pound lineman to spare lighter LBs from having to do so. The LBs may be 270 pounds because basic math (5 offensive linemen - 3 defensive linemen) says they may have to get around a lineman, but the weight differential is offset by the LB's running start and quickness. A slower defensive lineman would not reap that benefit and likely would not be quick enough to react to a play taking place further than the other side of a blocker. I certainly would not want to see a defensive lineman attempt pass coverage in the secondary. The Pats' defensive linemen will also show wear relatively quickly if running all over the field, which is pretty much what an LB has to do.

    As such, the likely answer to missing LBs is a 4-3 scheme, not changing positions for true defensive lineman. Given Belichick's use of multi-purpose players, that is why defensive linemen have been used as fullbacks (an additional blocker with a little more quickness than the offensive linemen) and a LB, Vrabel, has been used like a tight end (able to shed blocks, run a basic route and get open).
     
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    Thanks for the detailed response. Really helpful. I guess I though Wright and Green looked LBish, but didn't factor in the difference in skill-set.

    Edit: It's become clear to me that not knowing something around here equates with being an idiotic moron or offensive person who should be anonymously criticized. My bad.
     
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    I'll take it that statement was not directed at me. You said some time ago you were relatively new to the sport so I gave you my understanding. Anyone who knows squat knows Belichick has used players in unconventional ways, so your question is not ridiculous.

    I would dismiss the commentary as good-natured attempts at humor, not derision. Frankly, even the professed know-it-alls don't know it all. They just think they do.
     
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    I believe Jsn is referring to the reputation feedback, which Ian has set to be anonymous. I personally would prefer to know who is leaving feedback.
     
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    That's correct, and agreed.
     
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    If it were mid-game and there was really an emergency, I'd expect James Sanders to take the OLB role. But considering all of their LBs (except Bruschi) can play inside and outside, they'd have to sustain what, 3 major injuries in one game?
     
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    I assumed JSn had read something in the thread but the comment was tied to the response to my post. While I may lob the occasional grenade in response to a post (my anti-troll defense), I did not want a benign post to be construed as some form of attack.

    I thought reputation was just a number of squares/color of square. Does it fluctuate that much or have some numerical value associated with it? Apparently I should be more image conscious around my constituents.
     
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    Jarvis Green could probably play a role where it was 90% clear he was rushing but he could also drift into coverage and fill a small area of the field.

    Seymour could do that better, but after the FB experiment I'd be opposed.

    But mainly, the utter-emergency LBs are the STers (Izzo) and the safeties.
     
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    No, your post was groovy.

    What was "the fullback experiment" anyway?
     
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