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  1. JSn

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    ...as emergency OLB's? I haven't seen the back-up's in action much and don't know their history. If we end up in a scramble for OLB's, who do you think best fits the bill?
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    Come on dude, that there's crazy talk. None of them could play linebacker.
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    OLBs need to cover RBs and TEs. The only possible candidate, Jarvis Green the quick pass rusher DE is most likely not agile enough for that role.
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    Alright. I just wondered about it, because we seem to like converting DE's to OLB. I wondered if it could work the other way around.

    I wasn't suggesting Wilfork or anything, I'm not that daft... lol.
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    BB would just bring Robertson and Craig up from the Practice Squad. Guyton had quality reps at OLB after Woods went down, Colvin is just here to backstop him and Seau is here to backstop Bruschi.
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    Vince Wilfork for sure, I think he played a little QB in pop warner.
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    Nah. He's the emergency RB. Remember that oft posted photo of him running downfield with the fumble while striking the Heisman pose?
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    Uh, I think this point needs a poll... [​IMG]
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    Vince has a wicked pissah crossover step.
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    Ouch. I shall haunt thee. And stuff.
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    Really...the only one who HAS is Green...he started against Miami in 03 as an OLB....
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    There is a difference between the converted LBs (like Willie or Tedy) who played DE in college and the tweener defensive lineman from other system like Jason Taylor who have the build of a LB but are used as speed rushers on the ends and therefore can play both roles with some success.

    The 3-4 defensive linemen are big dudes designed to take on one or more 300+ pound lineman to spare lighter LBs from having to do so. The LBs may be 270 pounds because basic math (5 offensive linemen - 3 defensive linemen) says they may have to get around a lineman, but the weight differential is offset by the LB's running start and quickness. A slower defensive lineman would not reap that benefit and likely would not be quick enough to react to a play taking place further than the other side of a blocker. I certainly would not want to see a defensive lineman attempt pass coverage in the secondary. The Pats' defensive linemen will also show wear relatively quickly if running all over the field, which is pretty much what an LB has to do.

    As such, the likely answer to missing LBs is a 4-3 scheme, not changing positions for true defensive lineman. Given Belichick's use of multi-purpose players, that is why defensive linemen have been used as fullbacks (an additional blocker with a little more quickness than the offensive linemen) and a LB, Vrabel, has been used like a tight end (able to shed blocks, run a basic route and get open).
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    Thanks for the detailed response. Really helpful. I guess I though Wright and Green looked LBish, but didn't factor in the difference in skill-set.

    Edit: It's become clear to me that not knowing something around here equates with being an idiotic moron or offensive person who should be anonymously criticized. My bad.
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    I'll take it that statement was not directed at me. You said some time ago you were relatively new to the sport so I gave you my understanding. Anyone who knows squat knows Belichick has used players in unconventional ways, so your question is not ridiculous.

    I would dismiss the commentary as good-natured attempts at humor, not derision. Frankly, even the professed know-it-alls don't know it all. They just think they do.
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    I believe Jsn is referring to the reputation feedback, which Ian has set to be anonymous. I personally would prefer to know who is leaving feedback.
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    That's correct, and agreed.
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    If it were mid-game and there was really an emergency, I'd expect James Sanders to take the OLB role. But considering all of their LBs (except Bruschi) can play inside and outside, they'd have to sustain what, 3 major injuries in one game?
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    I assumed JSn had read something in the thread but the comment was tied to the response to my post. While I may lob the occasional grenade in response to a post (my anti-troll defense), I did not want a benign post to be construed as some form of attack.

    I thought reputation was just a number of squares/color of square. Does it fluctuate that much or have some numerical value associated with it? Apparently I should be more image conscious around my constituents.
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    Jarvis Green could probably play a role where it was 90% clear he was rushing but he could also drift into coverage and fill a small area of the field.

    Seymour could do that better, but after the FB experiment I'd be opposed.

    But mainly, the utter-emergency LBs are the STers (Izzo) and the safeties.
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    No, your post was groovy.

    What was "the fullback experiment" anyway?
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    At pains of jumping a question directed at Fencer, I believe he is referring to Belichick using Richard as a fullback heavy in short yardage situations. While blocking, Seymour ending up getting that nagging knee injury that plagued him for the past couple of years. Innovative, but kind of a high value unit to be throwing in as a blocker. Prior to Seymour, Dan Klecko was used in that role (he was originally a defensive lineman but became a failed conversion attempt to LB) before he got hurt and did so fairly well.
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    My first thought when reading your question was the same as one posted already rather than having a linemen play out of position just play more 4-3. But at this point no one else is going down somethings gotta give right.
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    I disagree with this nonsense about Wilfork- stupid talk for which I may step outside my usual terrritory to hand out infractions...:mad::banned:

    Everyone knows that he is a Corner. I mean, can you imagine him jamming at the line?

    Anyway, Jsn's post has been well-answered. One thing to consider, though, Jsn is that we have a number of OLBs who could play DE in a 4-3: I'm thinking of Vrabel, Thomas (when fit) and perhaps Colvin.
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    Seymour played FB in the jumbo set for a while. He had numerous false start penalties in the role and finally got injured at it.

    It turns out that Richard Seymour is no Dan Klecko.
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    No, please, always feel free to jump questions directed at me.

    At least if they're football question. ;)
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    A question. How can you respond so quickly from the Andromeda galaxy over 2 million LY away? That's a 4 million year round trip. :confused:
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    Any of our DL can drop in zone even wilfork, if we are going to drop a DL we can play zone and drop him in the zone. One of the best DL in getting his hands to tip balls is seymour and i always wondered why they do not do some shallow zone`s with him.Over the years and even now he tips more balls and has the hand eye coordination to get his hands up .this is a skill that most DL lack.

    The problem is AD played DL, OLB,ILB and we did not have to rotate players keep the QB guessing with him down you are going to rotate 2-3 playes which gives away the play.

    Also, seasoned QB will rotate the TE or Slot receiver to the DL zone and take advantage of this. Pittsburg kinda exploited this by dropping casey hampton down in a snap where harrison got him.Just confused cassell. they did a lot stuff which they would not do if brady is in their.
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    Well JSn has started many awesome threads, so lets give him a pass on this one ;) (I think everyone is joshing you dude!)

    It did spark a funny thought tho, with all those DEs crossing over to LBs.

    There are also LBs crossing over to DL -- remember Keith "Tractor" Traylor? He started out in the NFL as an LB, then decided to gain like 50-75 lbs and learn to play nose tackle. Imagine the body reconfiguration involved there!!

    MAkes you wonder about the natural talent of these guys vs. the actual "design for performance" apsect of their bodies. Perhaps a number of these guys like Jarvis or Wright could actually play standing up BEFORE they put on 30 lbs....

    This also reminds me of how significantly all these guys TRANSFORM from rookie year to say year 3. Look at Mike Wright - he is a much bigger beast than he was rookie year. BB/SP must be assessing some of these rookies with a mind toward - what will they look like after they 2 years of NFL strength training...

    Thats all.

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    This forum hasn't embraced the reputation option as a feedback tool the way Patriots Planet has, here we seem to prefer the "head-on" approach. I enjoy the "rep" points at Planet because you don't have anonymity, it allows you to know who is reading you contributions, what they think of your efforts, and it can generate some dialogue. Planeteers approach it as a fun way to say 'good job' or 'don't mention the faux fan who posted here and should not be named at risk of having your mouth washed out with lye soap.'

    I don't even look at Patsfans rep blocks. it's too easy to leave negative feedback because it is anonymous. It's not a useful gauge of the individual's efforts since the chicken 'not souper' crowd is happy to express themselves with flung poo - no accountability. I do check my usercp to see what people are reading - and I was informed that someone plans to use the kitten/kilt simile I shared at the next meeting of the Irish Heritage Society, nice to know your creativity is being plagiarized.
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