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Anyone else lowered their opinion of Mike Lombardi yesterday??

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  1. Miguel

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    On January 12th he was quoted as Cassel was worth at least a high 1st rounder and then some.

    "Michael Lombardi, who last week was the first to report the Patriots would put the franchise tag on Cassel, said the starting price should be the draft choices the San Diego Chargers received for Eli Manning.

    At the 2004 draft, the New York Giants acquired Manning's rights for Philip Rivers' rights along with a third-round pick that year and their first- and fifth-round picks in 2005.

    "Whatever the Giants gave up for Eli has to be the market," Lombardi said. "It's got to be a first-rounder, and not the 22nd or 24th pick in the draft. It has to be a substantial one and one that keeps on giving."

    Cassel trade talk opens with high 1st-rounder - AFC East - ESPN

    On February 4th he posted on his website that
    The National Football Post | Notes From Lombardi: Top Free Agent QBs
    that Cassel's "value is a first round pick above 15 along with a second rounder."

    How does he then go on NFL Network yesterday and not mentioned that his prior valuations of Cassel were wrong??

    From now on, when Lombardi evaluates a Patriot player, I am going to really take it with a grain of salt.
     
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    No, but I'm not generally that fickle. I think he will note his surprise and speculate in the Diner tomorrow.
     
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    There is a reason he is a writer not a GM... but he is still worth checking out.

    Depending on how you look at it Cassel was worth a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder, at least to Tampa.

    I would take all these guys with a grain of salt, IMO Kirwan is the best, Lombardi is pretty good too (also a total Pats suck up if you are into that kind of thing).
     
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    No, and I still think he's right if the Pats had held out and tried to get a bidding war going.
     
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    Many things played a part in us getting a 2nd rounder, it's not cut and dry.

    Our cap position and being handcuffed in the free agent market until all this was sorted out was a big consideration.
     
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    This thread is a bit unfair to Mike Lombardi. He can only state how good he thinks Matt Cassel is, what he's worth, and what he thinks he should go for. He can't account for the opinions of other GMs.

    In 1999, if he wrote a column saying the Colts should get at least a #1 draft choice for Marshall Faulk, would you say his opinion is flawed? If he wrote, Tampa Bay should get a first round pick for Steve Young, would you say that opinion is flawed? None of those players went for first round picks. Would you lower your opinion of someone who wrote that?

    If Cassel turns out to be a top 10 NFL quarterback, Mike Lombardi will have been right.
     
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    Well he did say that two GMs told him that's what the price for Cassel would start at. I think the Pats decided that the time and cap flexibility afforded to them by getting a deal immediately is more valuable to the franchise than the possible upgrade in compensation had they waited. They might have also gotten nervous about being stuck with Cassel. Hard to quantify the value of getting a possibly lesser deal done right away unless what they are able to do because of it outweighs whatever they could have gotten from higher/more draft picks.
     
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    Given what was offered by other teams, I have no problem with Lombardi on this.
     
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    If he had said that the Chiefs got a tremendous bargain in Cassel, I would not started this thread. He implied that Cassel was traded for about the right amount of value.
     
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    I didn't hear those comments on NFL Network...In that case, you should have said Kansas City got a great deal.
     
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    Good points. Besides there have been follow up reports that suggested 1st rounders were offered in deals for Cassel. The fact is that the Patriots wanted to unload Cassel ASAP. BB had a good relationship with Pioli and cut him a sweet deal so that he could get his cap space free to maneuver ASAP. Just because the Pats accepted lesser value doesn't mean that Cassel wasn't well worth a 1st round pick.
     
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    Agreed. Was Lombardi wrong, or did BB pull the trigger too fast? Probably both.
     
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    I actually like watching the guy.
     
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    He may have been correct in his evaluation, the pats reportedly got offered the 12 from Denver, and Tampa's 1st and 3rd. Agian, I dont know if i believe that but it has been reported. Either way, I believe the pats with out a doubt could have gotten a first rounder, but felt it was more important to get the cap room the trade gave us rather then hold out for a 1st.
     
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    Ouch. Best pure insult I've seen on this board in some time.
     
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