Discussion in 'The PatsFans.com Pub' started by Keegs, Jan 5, 2008.
anyone here play poker online for real money?
I lived in Las Vegas for 4 years and my only income was from poker. Does that count?
Oh I see you said on-line. I'm telling you straight up I don't care what anyone says ALL on-line poker is rigged. I have over 2 mil in play chips on Pokerstars but, I would never play for real money against that stacked deck.
you honestly believe that it's rigged? comon now.
Holdem is very difficult but i play only Heads Up Pot Limit Omaha hi/lo sit n gos and ive never had a losing month
you can win at that game...
holdem, is pretty difficult though b/c everyone thinks they know how to play and it's too simple of a game to get a big enough edge.....
I'm so convinced it's rigged I once had a blog dedicated to proving it. And I feel I did just that. But, people want to refuse to believe it. Now it's not rigged in the way wrestling is but, the deal is not random at all. It's one of the reasons you will always see 1 seat just win over and over and over. You see that from time to time in live games but on-line it's at every single table 100% of the time.
I love playing Omaha hi-low but it's a bit like the 9 ball of poker. You can win just by being lucky. For example you play A2K7 (a good low hand and hi hand) but the board comes 773K9. No low hand and you didn't pair the A but you still have the best high hand and take the whole pot.
When observing the high stakes cash games i never see the same seat win the majority of the money. And you can make the argument look better especially if the best player is in "the seat".
I just think that online you see so many more hands an hour. I've had probably 10 royal flushes in playing for 4 years and never had one live. i've had dozens of straight flushes and hundreds of quad hands. It's just how much time you spend playing online.
It is frustrating though. I just recently moved up to the $100 sit n gos and i've been running horrid. it's that much more frustrating in plo8 heads up. It's like you never had a chance to win. That's b/c the variance is frickin nasty online.
i don't believe that you honestly feel like it's rigged.
Oh but, I do.
They set up hands to make people bet big (big pots equal big rakes).
Whether it's dealing pocket pairs to multiple seats at once
Or setting up 2 lower stack players on the flop only to once again hand it to someone on the river.
They stack the deck. I've literally played 1000s of hours at poker tables in Vegas and at Foxwoods and I can clearly see the difference from a real deck and a real deal and what you see on-line.
I understand where you are coming from. And the way i ran on Friday, Lord knows i'd feel better if i agreed with you....
These hands you show are what, 3 or 4 hands out of an entire session? There are so many more hands per hour that this is more likely to happen online than live.
Just like if you roll the dice more times an hour than i do, you are more likely to have it land on snake eyes.
You've seen coolers live and hands with 4 people having pocket pairs haven't you? I have.
Also, what does a poker site have to gain by rigging the deck? as long as the site is running, they are constantly bringing in the rake. Why risk it by fixing games? Just to make a little more?
Now some sites have been "hacked". A kid who worked at Absolute poker hacked into the system and was able to see everyone's hole cards. He got busted on the 2plus2 forum pretty much. Everyone was complaining about the same guy making hero calls with 9 high and eventually more and more people came out saying the same thing... an investigation was launched, and he was busted.
Bingo. The decks are stacked. The outcomes are designed to be more extreme. If pocket Aces are 80% in real life, then they're 60% online. Ask yourself how many small pockets outflop bigger pockets. How many bad hands beat really strong hands. The decks are designed for more action and bigger plays. They don't want suckers going broke afterall.
Stacking a deck makes for bigger plays, and acts as protection for awful players. No one lets go of AK, pocket Queens, Kings, etc. People play those, and if you have more of those hands, you get more action. More action means bigger play, and in tournaments, faster play. You're more liable to slash stack sizes, or get more all-in's if you have strong hands playing each other more often. A table full of 7-deuce & Jackson-5 isn't going to net you a lot of money, and isn't going to end a sit-n-go in an hour. The more games the more dough, the more abundance of strong hands, the more action.
Where do you play anyway (websites/softwares) and why ?
I play on Pokerstars and Bodog.
Any tips for an online poker noob ?
I play on Full Tilt. . the reason is b/c i love it and I make money doing it as a part time job.
what the hell are you talking about...wrestling is not rigged
if you wanna build a quick bankroll.... play Heads Up Sit n Gos. get good at those. theres' a lot of money there.
Holdem is tough online. everyone thinks they know how to play it correctly and it's so simple that it turns into a crapshoot. you really have to be great and keep your cool to make any kinda money playing holdem.
Learn how to play PLO8 heads up, Omaha Hi, stud, any of those
Yeah, play low stakes, and stay away from cash games. I tend to play sit-n-go's so you know what you're gonna lose (or win) up front. Gambling can get you in trouble real fast, and playing online requires real self control. When you play in person, you actually see the money you're playing with, while when playing online, you don't. It's just a click of the mouse. Whatever you do, be careful.
yeah that's a good point too.
I don't mess with cash games. i hate them.
and he's right, you could end up losing, getting pissed and depositing more and more and more. then next thing you know, you take a shot at a couple 1k sit n gos and you are THIS GUY
Oh, he really does... he and I have had this argument before... of course, the fact that there's absolutely zero motive whatsoever for a major poker website to rig games is besides the point....
The very first night I ever played poker in a brick & mortar casino (Foxwoods), my very first flop I ever saw in my life came A-A-A... later that same night, I saw a hand where one player had pocket K-K, the guy next to him had pocket A-A and the guy next to him had pocket K-K. They all went all in and the A-A won. I guess that proves Foxwoods is rigged.
It's not so much rigged as it is juiced. I don't think, and I can't speak for the other guy, that they set it up for a particular person to win. I think they simply juice the decks so that more extreme outcomes are more prevelent. There will be more of the hands you described seeing at Foxwoods for example, because that means more action, bigger plays, and faster games. For anything involving cash, you're talking more juice, and for sit-n-go's you're talking more games played. A juiced deck will cut down the run time each takes, which means more volume, and thus more juice. If pockets aces are 80% preflop mathematically in real life, a juiced deck online will make it 60-70% maybe. If pocket aces are dealt at a .45% clip, then maybe they make it 2%. It's little things that don't actually rig the game, but juice the play. IMO anyway.
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