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  1. BelichickFan

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    Total BS. Illegal immigation is destroying this country. There are atleast 20 million illegals sucking on social services. Can't wait till this country goes bancrupt. See what all the amnesty idiots say then.
     
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    Bush is a democrat when it comes to "Illegal Aliens"
     
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    Why a Republican President and a Republican Congress can't come up with a way to address the immigration problem is beyond me. Clearly, there's no solution that will make everyone happy, but I think there are compromises that will protect the children of illegals (a liberal issue), the industries that depend on illegals (an issue for many Republicans), and help reduce the demand on social services and competition for jobs. The failure of our one Party government to take steps to resolve this issue is inexcusable. Even an imperfect solution is better than no solution at all.
     
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    I think both parties are scared of alienating a voter block. Just like blacks vote almost unanimously for Democrats, neither party can take a mistep with Hispanics and be on the losing side of the same situation - so they do nothing.
     
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    It's stupid to call it racist, the distinction the law makes is pretty clear to me: immigration status. I assume white illegal immigrants from places like England would also be denied housing.

    The problem I have with this law is the difficulty for the landlord in complying with it. Do they have to verify documents, or if someone presents them a forged green card or residency visa do they just take it for face value? If they have to verify documents, how much is that program going to cost taxpayers. The average landlord lacks the training needed to enforce complicated immigration laws.
     
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    You're a maroon. Blinders! Blinders! This has nothing to do with either party and everything to do with both parties. You people who blindly defend the GOP and the Dems are sheeple in every sense of the word. The issue with illegal immigration is rather simple.

    FUTURE VOTES

    Latino's are the fastest growing ethnic group in our countries history. They are the virgin voters of our political system. Both parties want to secure their vote now, while they have no identity, so as to ensure that the largest voter block in our nation will be in their corner. It's that simple. Repubs are selling out there principles so as to not piss off latino's. The Dems are selling out their "labor party" principles for the same reasons. Your Democratic party is pissing in the face of the "family workers" labor unions it has sworn to protect by supporting amnesty, and by ignoring the massive waves of illegal workers that have taken both jobs from union workers, and have driven down the wages for working families. How do you defend that? How about the black community you have sworn to protect? These illegals diminish opportunities for them too. I take it you missed what happened to the african american workers that were sent to work in NO after Katrina. They were sent back to whereever it was they came from because "the mexicans were already there".

    Tell me, when in my lifetime has any administration sealed the border and taken illegal immigration seriously? NEVER!

    Only sheeple like you think that one party is to blame in all of this. It's why you need to support individuals and not a party symbol.


    Arrival of aliens ousts U.S. workers

    By Jerry Seper
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    April 10, 2006


    An Alabama employment agency that sent 70 laborers and construction workers to job sites in that state in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina says the men were sent home after just two weeks on the job by employers who told them "the Mexicans had arrived" and were willing to work for less.

    Linda Swope, who operates Complete Employment Services Inc. in Mobile, Ala., told The Washington Times last week that the workers -- whom she described as U.S. citizens, residents of Alabama and predominantly black -- had been "urgently requested" by contractors hired to rebuild and clear devastated areas of the state, but were told to leave three job sites when the foreign workers showed up.

    "After Katrina, our company had 70 workers on the job the first day, but the companies decided they didn't need them anymore because the Mexicans had arrived," Mrs. Swope said. "I assure you it is not true that Americans don't want to work.

    "We had been told that 270 jobs might be available, and we could have filled every one of them with men from this area, most of whom lost their jobs because of the hurricane," she said. "When we told the guys they would not be needed, they actually cried ... and we cried with them. This is a shame."

    Mrs. Swope said employment agencies throughout Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi faced similar problems, when thousands of men from Mexico and several Central and South American countries -- many in crowded buses and trucks -- came into the three states after Katrina, looking for employment and willing to work for less money.

    The number of foreign workers who flooded the area after the hurricane has been estimated at more than 30,000. Many of them have been identified by law-enforcement authorities and others as illegal aliens.


    http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060410-123506-1297r.htm
     
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    America is addicted to cheap labor as it is to cheap oil, it is ok for illegals to live in mold infested homes while they rebuild NOLA.. but everybody complains about the effects on our medical and social systems. Can't have it both ways, cannot have cheap labor tending the gardens of the rich and famous on one hand and then say we are against illegal immigration. The problem becomes no one has the fortitude to deal with this issue head on and tell what the facts are.. no one dare say anything to disenfranchise any one voter, except when it comes to our Iraqi efforts... there no one cares as long as the agenda continues. The silence on both sides of the aisle on this issue is deafening.
     
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    WTF does Iraq have to do with Illegal Immigration?

    Anyway, too many of you are equating cheap labor with illegal labor. There is a huge difference. The economy needs cheap labor, not illegals.
     
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    As for Patters & his Dem Blinders, how about your boy Harry Reid and his fony sellout stance on illegals.

    This was Reids original position on illegal immigration. Of course, this was before he was house leader, and 13 years before LAtino's became the fastest growing voter block.

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    FLASHBACK: Dem Senate Leader Harry Reid: 'Our Federal Wallet Stretched To Limit By Illegal Aliens Getting Welfare'

    'Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally'

    August 5, 1993

    The Office of Sen. Harry Reid issued the following:

    In response to increased terrorism and abuse of social programs by aliens, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) today introduced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress.

    Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care and other federal benefits. Recent terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have underscored the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.

    Reid's bill, the Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993, overhauls the nation's immigration laws and calls for a massive scale-down of immigrants allowed into the country from approximately 800,000 to 300,000.

    The bill also changes asylum laws to prevent phony asylum seekers. Reid said the U.S. open door policy is being abused at the expense of honest, working citizens.

    "We are a country founded upon fairness and justice," Reid said. "An individual in real threat of torture or long-term incarceration because of his or her political beliefs can still seek asylum. But this bill closes the door to those who want to abuse America's inherent generosity and legal system."

    Reid's bill also cracks down on illegal immigration. The 1990 census reported 3.3 million illegal aliens in America. Recent estimates indicate about 2.5 million immigrants illegally entered the United States last year.

    "Our borders have overflowed with illegal immigrants placing tremendous burdens on our criminal justice system, schools and social programs," Reid said. "The Immigration and Naturalization Service needs the ability to step up enforcement.

    "Our federal wallet is stretched to the limit by illegal aliens getting welfare, food stamps, medical care and other benefits often without paying any taxes.

    "Safeguards like welfare and free medical care are in place to boost Americans in need of short-term assistance. These programs were not meant to entice freeloaders and scam artists from around the world. "Even worse, Americans have seen heinous crimes committed by individuals who are here illegally," Reid said.

    Specific provisions of Reid's Immigration Stabilization Act include the following:

    -- Reduces annual legal immigration levels from approximately 800,000 admissions per year to about 300,000. Relatives other than spouse or minor children will be admitted only if already on immigration waiting lists and their admission does not raise annual immigration levels above 300,000.

    -- Reforms asylum rules to prevent aliens from entering the United States illegally under phony "asylum" claims.

    -- Expands list of felonies considered "aggravated" felonies requiring exclusion and deportation of criminal aliens. Allows courts to order deportation at time of sentencing.

    -- Increases penalties for failing to depart or re-entering the United States after a final order of deportation order. Increases maximum penalties for visa fraud from five years to 10 years.

    -- Curtails alien smuggling by authorizing interdiction and repatriation of aliens seeking to enter the United States unlawfully by sea. Increases penalties for alien smuggling.

    -- Adds "alien smuggling" to the list of crimes subject to sanctions under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Expands the categories of property that are forfeited when used to facilitate the smuggling or harboring of illegal aliens.

    -- Clarifies that a person born in the United States to an alien mother who is not a lawful resident is not a U.S. citizen. This will eliminate incentive for pregnant alien women to enter the United States illegally, often at risk to mother and child, for the purpose of acquiring citizenship for the child and accompanying federal financial benefits.

    -- Mandates that aliens who cannot demonstrably support themselves without public or private assistance are excludable. This will prevent admission of aliens likely to be dependent on public financial support. This requirement extends to the sponsor of any family sponsored immigrant.

    -- Increases border security and patrol officers to 9,900 full-time positions.

    END
     
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    Mexico's Illegal Alien cannot compare to Europe's White Illegal Alien, it is "the numbers" that make them different, there are thousands if not millions of Illegal Mexican Aliens in this country and more coming each day, that compared to ten or twenty White European ones.

    If White Illegal Aliens were pouring into this country at the rate of the Mexicans and getting free health care, drivers licenses, free college money for their kids and taking baths in Arizona swimming pools they would have the same outrage shown toward them as the Mexicans do.

    America is the American Peoples home, nobody wants anyone to enter their home unless they enter the "proper way" with permission and through the Front Door.
     
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    #80 Jersey

    Nothing is racist about being an illegal citizen....thats silly.

    Try to go to London, and get working papers.....Try to move to Rome and get a job, stay a few years....How about Austrailia? give it a try. I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms.

    Its nearly impossible to get paid in another country unless you can prove that only YOU as an American can accomplish this task that no other worker of that country can do.

    Our Immigration laws are fine, its the enforcement of our laws by employers that is the joke. There are paths to becoming a citizen. It just seems that cheap labor and a cheap vote is more important to buisness, and our lawmakers.

    There is something to the point by PATTERS about how crazy it seems that a congress and executive branch that are in the same party can't pass a law to put an end to this.

    why?
     
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    I agree illegal immigration from Mexico and Latin America is the biggest immigration problem in America, but when it comes to laws like these (denying housing to illegal immigrants) are you suggesting that white immigrants from other countries get a pass, and only Mexicans be denied housing?
     
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    I has to do with the vote, there is tons of verbage on the Iraqi situation and it has polarized the country, however there is silence on the illegal immigration situation as no one wants to loose one voter.
     
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    FUTURE VOTES IS WHY.


    The second one party, in the question you propose, the GOP, were to implement a policy that rounded up illegals and deported them, the Dems would immediately push the race card to secure the ever growing latino vote. So what we have is an ongoing problem that will never be resolves correctly. As it sits unattended to, more and more illegals cross the border, as they know they will be granted amnesty inevitably. Who pays the price? Joe Taxpayer. See this issue is not about protecting our sovereignty, securing our social way of life, and bettering the lives of actual American citizens, it's about how best to look good in the eyes of the fastest growing voter block in the country.
     
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    No, treat the "white illegal alien just as you would treat the mexican illegal alien".
    They are both criminals, DEPORT THEM, if they do it again "Shoot Them"

    Welcome the LEGALS give them a little flag to wave and a set of Free Tupperware.
     
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    Nice try trying to put more of the blame on Dems, Real World. Dems would come up with a plan to manage the illegal immigrant problem if they were in power. You might not like the plan, but it would be better than the failure of the Republicans to come up with any plan. The Party in power is utterly inept.
     
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    Did I blame Dems for the problem? NOPE. Obviously our president is public enemy #1 in all of this, and last I checked he was a Republican. There are too many Repubs afraid to do something, and enough that want to make Amnesty a reality in Senate. Thankfully, principled individuals like Tom Tancredo had the nuts the to pass a great bill in the House. Good luck getting it to pass in th Senate though. Anyhow, you CLEARLY tried to put blame souly on the GOP, surprise surprise. You're sell out Dems, namely one Harry Reid, care nothing about principle and everything about securing the Latino vote. Were it not for a handful of politicians, namely Tom Tancredo, we'd have been flying a Mexican flag a long time ago.

    Please tell me what the Dem plan is. I'm curious.
     
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    How can you blame the Democrats at all? They are not in a position to do anything about the illegal immigration issue. That said, their view has some similarities to what Bush advocates, favoring a means by which illegals could earn the right to be here and providing social services as needed (since we have to do it anyway). It would be a big problem trying to remove 11 million illegals from the country, which is the nonsense that the radical right feeds you to keep you in your delirium.

    More seriously, here's a good article on the issue:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0516/p09s01-coop.html
     

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