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Anti-government "Patriot" Groups Under Clinton, Bush, Obama

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    LOL, so I guess I'll find them fighting Islamic groups or the inner city gangs that kill thousands a year instead of the KKK who has maybe 2,000 people and hasn't been relevant or scary for 50 years.

    I suggest looking at police reports for your hotbed of extremism- maybe avoid democratic Utopias like Chicago, Detroit, and NO where ACTUAL people are getting killed.
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    The problem with this is the group providing the chart. For all we know, the chart could be spot on, but clearly, the group providing the chart has an agenda, and we have no idea what criteria they used to come to their conclusions. Did they use keywords like "patriot", "tea", etc. like the IRS did?

    Aside from the questions surrounding the charts legitimacy, or the groups agenda, let's assume it's generally accurate. I'd say that the spike is partly the result of a liberal takeover of government (spread the wealth around a little bit), the financial crisis, housing crisis, TARP, the bailouts (mortgage, GM, etc.), the illegal invasion with it's pending Amnesty, the great recession, people "clinging to their guns and religion", and for some, the election of a black president. I think when you combine the entire laundry list from that point forward, you get a spike like this. Again though, we have no idea what the criteria is for the chart, or what puts you on that list. For example, we know that Doomsday'ers have most certainly spiked in this same time frame. Are they including those groups as well, and/or is this spike somewhat related?
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    They're scared and rightly so.
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    Guess you do not understand the concept of a "hate group"... it is not exclusive to KKK, but a lot of extremists who personally would not want to be around and espouse values diametrically opposed to my own...

    No one is forcing you to support or like SPLC it is not a government agency... it is a personal preference, their work has been valuable... probably would not consider living in Chicago, Detroit or other inner city.. but if was considering moving to another area would use their maps..

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map
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    Here's an example of something that is probably not on their radar. Maybe this is actually "love"?

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    And you know it how??

    You really do not get it, they have been outspoken critics against all hate, including NAZI hate...

    Morris Dees effectively disabled the group run by Richard Butler...

    http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/hate-and-extremism

    Just to give you an idea of who they monitor, Florida for example...

    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/hate-map#s=FL
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    So you did not check out the Fla. Hatewatch map captioned... check it out, you might be surprised.

    Or be content with what you want to believe... or maybe you want to change the topic.
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    Got it, so hate groups are people that say things you disagree with. It's clear that's how the SPLC defines them. What's not clear is why they are so much more concerned about fighting speech they disagree with and not actual violence. Obviously that's because the demographic of people committing real violence in the US is not the ones they hate, and since democrats and minorities are this con artists "mark" they will ignore those hate groups. After all, this group doesn't really care about hate groups, they care about fleecing people to make money.

    First, if you want honest information about them, don't use their website as a source.

    Second, the Chicago map shows the city filled with KKK, neo-nazi's, and skin heads. Can we assume that Chicago is overrun with white on black crime? Nope, and I doubt any of these groups have been responsible for a single murder in the last year or a fraction of a percentage. So while these groups may be unpleasant and possibly dangerous the omission of the groups that are more unpleasant and significantly more dangerous shows the SPLC to be a bunch of racist frauds.

    To answer your free market question, I have no issue with people making money, even lots of it. Executives of charities sometimes make hefty pay checks (though not like the SPLC) if they are able to fundraise and manage the charity. But the SPLC is not running a charity. The free market does not mean you can commit fraud. If I voluntarily buy a hamburger and find out it had rat meat then our transaction was completed under false pretense. I would be entitled to have money returned because I didn't receive the service I paid for.

    The SPLC is selling a rat burger under the guise of being a charity which they objectively are not.
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    Do you believe the SPLC provides cans of soup to hungry children, Bobby boy?
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    Great business very lucrative ... "Inflate the Hate"

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    Also we can add pervert, child molester and liar to the mantle of Morris Dees

    wow Darryls sure can pick them ...........

    http://www.zianet.com/web/dees2.htm

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    LOL a plethora of smears against Dees and SPLC, which is THE premier group for tracking extremist hate groups in the U.S.

    And nothing about the fact - which is that extremist "Patriots" are mollified when there is a Republican president, but breed like rabbits when there is a Democratic president.

    You're not going to find a better organization for tracking these groups folks. This just reads like the "kill the messenger" routine to which I've become accustomed.

    Pathetic

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    If this is the "premier" group for anything, we're in some serious trouble.
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    pathetic PF are people who profit from dissenting opinion.
    Dees the millionaire pervert has made a career from it ...
    How exactly does one become a millionaire running a poverty center?

    If there is an opposite of Mother Theresa it is Mr. Dees.

    Dissenting opinion has become the rallying cry of the left ... they equate it with terrorism which is pathetic. Like it or not this country was built and formed upon dissenting opinion. some of it constructive and some of it just plain bitter. Shall we go over the violent protests that led to progressive gains PF ... was that hate or was it very American. I mean we can have civil wars like other countries or we can use our freedoms to speak our mind and to form our political groups to effect change.

    the left has become less and less tolerable of dissenting opinion and that comes right from the top ... our own POTUS fosters hate and it spreads like an ugly disease. The left gets very angry and they stomp their feet when they don't get their way ... even in this forum.

    Which is better PF?
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    Tracking extremist groups in the USA ... LOL.

    Let's not forget people fought and perished for the right to speak and protest.

    As long as there is no violence it is what keeps our country strong

    ... intelligent people understand the concept.
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    The SPLC is hate group themselves.

    Any group that opposes illegal immigration is considered a hate group. Yet, they're more than happy to defend La Raza.

    The SPLC likes to act like it's also against anti-semitic groups. So they list these fringe groups with 10 members but at the same time they kiss the ass of CAIR.

    Fugg them
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