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  1. Fogbuster

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    'These Colors Don't Run' to hold counterprotest

    By Eric Pfeiffer
    THE WASHINGTON TIMES
    March 13, 2007


    A caravan of military family members is driving cross-country to show their continuing support for the troops, culminating in a large pro-troop rally in Washington this weekend.

    Calling their effort "These Colors Don't Run," the series of rallies, which was organized by the Move America Forward organization, is making 25 stops before arriving at the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Saturday.

    "Some politicians don't seem to have the will and fortitude to stand behind our troops when they need us most, and that saddens me," said Deborah Johns, whose son, William, is serving his third tour of duty in Iraq with the Marines.

    Members of the caravan say they have collected more than 5,000 U.S. flags since their trip began. The group plans to simultaneously display the flags during the rally, creating what they call a "giant flag city" on the National Mall. Afterward, the flags will be mailed to military service members in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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    http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070312-104603-7820r.htm
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    There are those who, as at the time of the Vietnam War, would like nothing more than to see the U.S. further weakened and marginalized, so they openly campaign against U.S. involvement in Iraq.

    Then there are those who know that the price of freedom and democracy is a heavy burden that requires an unbending will.


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    and then there are those who quote and talk to themselves in their own thread...
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    I refer that to a right wing circle jerk for 1.
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    Leave it to the libs no substance just personal attack
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    A rather poor article, since it doesn't tell what this caravan consists of on a typical day. Two cars? 20 cars? Is it the same caravan traveling the entire route? Or is it just locals hooking up for an afternoon drive to show their support? That said, of course there are people who are for the war and willing to advertise that fact, just as their are people against the war: http://www.ivaw.org/
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    So since it doesn't support your veiw of the war, you feel compelled to suggest it may be just a group of locals hooking up? Rather transparent to me anyway.

    "Some politicians don't seem to have the will and fortitude to stand behind our troops when they need us most, and that saddens me," said Deborah Johns, whose son, William, is serving his third tour of duty in Iraq with the Marines.

    Some don't.
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    Shall we go back into the archives to see how many threads you started and answered and answered and answered... until you trolled some fellow-traveler.

    :D ........... . . . . .. . .. . . .. . . . .



    Didn't think so.






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    If it's a news story, it should tell the basic details of what's going on. Many people would call the media biased if it reported on an anti-war rally and neglected to mention that only 20 people turned up. Like it or not, numbers do matter. Also, I think it would be far more impressive if some people were participating in this caravan during its whole journey. If not, it's really no different than a small rally, which is hardly newsworthy for a national publication like the Washington Times.

    And other politicians think the war is against American interests, not only by costing us thousands of troops and billions of dollars, but by destabilizing the Middle East and turning us into an evil empire in the eyes of many.
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    It is transparent now that there are some here who will not be convinced of the need -- as heavy a burden as it is -- to support this effort in Iraq to allow *all* the people of that nation to have democracy. It would not matter if Saddam had murdered a hundred million, instead of the half million he did. Communism murdered 300 million and it still has its apologists.

    There are those who oppose Geo Bush for many other reasons -- his Christian faith being a very big one -- and will use the war for their own anti-Christian agendas. If it was not Iraq it would be something else the piranhas would attack. The war is not even the point now, as it was never the point in the 1960s and 70s re Vietnam. It is all about POWER: the Hard Left wants it and will do anything to get it.

    We've seen this game before, and fortunately there are enough people alive today who remember it. Fool us once, shame on you; fool us twice, shame on us.


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    No matter what the size of the rally, it is enough to know that some people who have lost loved ones in Iraq feel that their sacrifices have been worth it. Cindy Sheehan was all alone in her complaining campaign until the naysayers jumped onto her band-wagon, Murtha and the other cut-and-runners among.

    The costs of the war effort have *ALWAYS* been told to us, even before we started. Bush has been nothing if not upfront about what were getting into. And he told us the reason why -- a reason all too soon forgotten amidst our safe and protected habitat: to avoid taking the fight to the terrorists now will mean we will have to confront the terrorists on our own homeland.


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    It takes an exceptionally strong person to say my child died for nothing. Soldiers and families who support the war are a dime a dozen during wartime. There's nothing unusual there, but then again maybe you thought otherwise.

    Sheehan got attention because she was the first parent of a dead soldier to speak out boldly against the war. It's a lot easier to say my child died for a good cause than my child died because an incompetent president put him in harm's way.

    I think you're deluding yourself or trying to deceive others:

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/

    The Republicans lied (or were merely incompetent) about the cost of the war from the start.

    Yes, and you believed him. I think we've had two terrorist attacks on our soil in the last 20 years. If Reagan hadn't trained the Taliban, Al Qaeda might not exist; if Clinton had attacked Iraq, 9/11 might still have happened. There's no telling how things would have played out with a different strategy. That said, there is no reason to believe that the war in Iraq is having any affect on our safety at home, unless you believe that losing our troops, spending billions, and giving terrorists a cause célèbre is in our interest.
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    Every single one of your points is hooey. You've already made up your mind, so there's point in trying to educate you.

    We haven't been hit since George went to work, and if you or anyone thinks that is an accident you are simply in denial.

    He said from day one that it would be long, hard, and not without sacrifice. He has been correct on all counts. Bush also said we'd see results over time, and he is right about that, too.

    Given the choices we had, I'm very glad we've had Geo Bush and NOT Al Gore OR John Kerry in the White House these past six-plus years. And we definitely need another strong president, one who will not be fooled by emotional pandering, to succeed him. Whichever party can produce such a person, so be it, and may God guide him or her.


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    What is also transparent is your complete lack of presenting facts when composing your ideological tirades.

    As in the bolded...do you have any evidence to back that up? You don't. Unless you consider killing enemies in a time of war to be murder, in which case you have a lot more explaining to do in your justification for our involvement in Iraq.

    As for the protesters, I'm glad they are out there. I defend their right to protest. Do you think they should be confined to "protest zones" like anti-war protesters have been? Did you smile when you heard about Kent State?
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    The estimates I have seen go up to a half million killed by Saddam, including the Kurds and the Shi'ites he exterminated over 25 years. This is beyond the war he fought with Iran for some 8 years.

    The protesters now are very much like the protesters during the Vietnam war: most are idealistic young people, but they are being misled and used. Behind them are some very dark and sinister forces. Just as the Marxist movement (SDS, Tom Hayden, the PLA, etc.) and other anarchist groups (Yippies, Abbie Hoffman, Jerry Ruben, et. al.), today's demonstrators have backing. Although not the same as 40 years ago, it is just as wrong. Remember Ira Einhorn? Internationally famous "peace activist". Only one problem: he murdered his own girlfriend and eluded authorities for 35 years.

    Kent State was sad, but again, most of those students were being used by the hard left.


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    We weren't hit since Clinton went to work after the first WTC attack (that happened even sooner after his election). But, under Clinton we weren't losing 3,000 troops, billions of dollars, and creating new enemies on a daily basis.

    That impresses you? An idiot could have said that regardless of the strategy. (In fact, come to think of it and idiot did say it: Bush.)

    That's because you're a Bush apologist. He's done us absolutely no good. The relevant facts are we lost 6,000 people while Bush was president, killed tens of thousands of civilians, and wasted billions of dollars that could have been used to help people at home and abroad. A strong person is not the child who plays war games; a strong person is someone who uses diplomacy and someone who listens to his generals and others about how to conduct the war. It was established early on that Rumsfeld was wrong about the number of troops needed to wage war, about wiping out the Iraqi army and the Baathists, about a quick victory and mission accomplished. Bush is a fool who perhaps had good intentions.
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    Please either provide a link or simply stop lying to people here. There are no estimates anywhere, except maybe in your confused mind, that Saddam killed a half million of his own people. Nowhere can you verify your estimates.

    Lying?? I think that just might be considered a sin in your church. You may want to look into that.

    As to the rest of your post, its just simply "hooey" to use your term. Complete and utter hogwash, some might say. I call it bilge.
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    HA!

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    You mean these anti-war protesters? The ones at Washington DC with Hanoi Jane a couple of months back?

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