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  1. Wolfpack

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    "Mr. President, I rise today to talk about America's debt problem. The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure.

    Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here. Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit."
    - Sen. Barack Obama, 2006
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    "I think that it’s important to understand the vantage point of a senator versus the vantage point of a ... president. When you’re a senator, traditionally what’s happened is, this is always a lousy vote. Nobody likes to be tagged as having increased the debt limit for the United States by a trillion dollars. ... As president, you start realizing: 'You know what? We -- we can’t play around with this stuff. This is the full faith in credit of the United States.' And so that was just a example of a new senator, you know, making what is a political vote as opposed to doing what was important for the country. And I’m the first one to acknowledge it."

    Obama Explains 2006 Debt Limit Vote | POLITICO 44
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    Pretty gutless backtracking, seems to me. But I agree that he is just way too much of a novice to hold the most powerful office in the world. Too bad people like you didn't realize that 3 years ago.
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    Obama sucks at explaining things. I can't listen to him anymore. He contradicts himself left and right. He changes his mind whenever the Owners tell him to. He's no different than the last ten we've had.
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    Even worse that the pubbies didn't offer a better alternative.
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    The alternative speaks:

    The idea seems to be that if the House GOP refuses to raise the debt ceiling, a default crisis or gradual government shutdown will ensue and the public will turn en masse against Barack Obama.... Then Democrats would have no choice but to pass a balanced-budget amendment and reform entitlements, and the tea party hobbits could return to Middle-earth having defeated Mordor.

    "This is the kind of crack political thinking that turned Sharron Angle and Christine O'Donnell into GOP Senate nominees.

    The reality is the debt limit will be raised one way or the other.... If conservatives defeat the [GOP] plan, they will not only undermine their House majority, they will go far to reelecting Mr. Obama and making entitlements that much harder to reform."


    John McCain derides 'tea party hobbits' in debt ceiling fight - latimes.com
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    Anyone who read the news would know that Obama has proposed $4 trillion in deficit reduction (by backing the bipartisan Gang of Six proposal) through budget cuts primarily and closing some tax loopholes. If Bush had made a similar proposal, perhaps Obama would not have said what he said.
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    Well it's too bad President Obama doesn't support the same initiatives that Senator Obama did. Otherwise this country would not be in the current crisis that he has steered us headfirst into at breakneck speed.

    No impartial analysis of the Obama administration could ever conclude anything other than the fact that it has been a complete disaster.
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    I do believe McLame was reading that directly from a newspaper article. I don't think McLame knows what the Lord of the Rings is.


    As for the two Barack Obama's, the one circa 2006, then the one circa 2011, is anyone surprised? This is where I tend to give credit to the freshman in congress who are refusing to sign a worthless agreement designed only to publically save face for the politcal establishment. They will not cede their principles for a deal that isn't worth the paper it's written on. I personally prefer we default, than sign some toothless plan that will do nothing to alter the current course being travelled. We won't default, as I believe some sort of deal will be made, but I want the principled to play chicken until the establishment pulls the wheel and caves in to real reform.
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    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...................

    More meaningless numbers thrown out to the dumb down public to sound good. Where's the plan, and what are the details? That's right, there aren't any.
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    I know I'm not. I think it's really little more than Senator Obama having absolutely no idea how far in over his head he would be as President Obama.

    Obama is clearly the most ill-prepared President in quite some time. He has absolutely no idea what is going on around him or how to fix it.
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    He's exactly what I expected him to be. Well intentioned in what he believes, but completely lacking of an understanding of reality, and thus well in over his head. If people remember my advice to him (not that he would ever listen) was to run for governor of Illinois first. I'm sure I'm not the only one who wishes he had now.
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    That was an excellent idea. That way he could only destroy 1 state instead of 50.
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    haha, well to be fair to him he's not the only reason we're in the **** hole we're in. He's contributed to the problem, but he's merely one of many who have.
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    Tea Party freshmen holding out for Cap Cut and Balance, Boehner cries and delays vote.

    Good for the Freshman Tea Party congresscritters standing up to the establishment business as usual.


    Epic great day for the pats btw.
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    I guess it's all perspective but I wouldn't consider home mortgage interest deduction, charitable contributions and health insurance being considered as taxable income to be 'loopholes'.

    Bipartisan tax plan trims mortgage deduction - Yahoo! News
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    I agree w/you, but the Gang of Six plan punts on the details. From your link:

    One can only hope this is the way it's done.

    The very fact that we can't stomach even talking about getting the rates to sustainable levels is just proof of our addiction to the "taxes badddddd" mantra.

    But if we're going to claim we can simplify our way to more revenues, we'd damn well better not simplify the poor into greater poverty, and the middle class into a lesser state of poverty.

    PFnV
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    more like "the reason we are here today is because past presidents helped to royally f their own country up the ass multiple times with multiple debt limit raises...."
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    It is interesting to see how the word "racism" is used in this thread... the use of such automatically defies intellectual discourse..
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    I really do applaud these freshman for sticking to their principles on this issue. I hope they get what they're holding out for, or as close to it as possible. Either the establishment caves, or there won't be a deal is how I read this. Kudos to them if that is the case.

    I think those are 3 deductions that should remain. Maybe I would....


    .....put a cap on the higher end of the deductions. This is the type of restructuring I'd take on were I involved in the negotiations. The key would be the specific details of course.

    Exactly. Just like it's used everyday by some people in this country.
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    So my question is this: how is this any different than every single member of the current GOP leadership voting to raise the debt ceiling, unconditionally, through GWB's term?

    You mean politicians have played politics with the debt ceiling throughout history despite the tacit understanding that it will always need to be raised in the end?

    Shocking.
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    Really? You hope for an immediate 40 percent cut in federal spending? I sincerely hope you're not being serious with that remark.
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    Everyday charges of racism exist because everyday racism exist.

    Are some charges unfounded? Sure. That TX rep (Sheila Lee King?), for ex. But as much as some folks like to pretend it isn't real, racism really does still exist.
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    If an immediate 40% cut in federal spending is what it takes for people to truly realize the extremely dire fiscal situation we're in both now, and moving forward, then yes, I am being completely serious. I don't think it will come to that, as I'm pretty confident a deal will be made when the time comes.

    Um, well no **** Sher...:p Obviously charges of racism happen cuz racism still happens. That's not the point. The point was what Daryll described as "automatically defies intellectual discourse" is what many in here, and in public, do on a daily basis. You know, the old "you don't like brown people" bit.
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    I agree, the term "white mother f-cker" is very much alive and well within the black community.
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    The point is, not only would that be catastrophic for the country, but it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of happening.

    Yet you're applauding these lunatics for gumming up the process and sliding us ineluctably closer to default.
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    Bohner is another Lieberman, Collins, Snowe, I knew that the day he started crying, what the republicans need is a Partisian who tows the party line like Pelosi, Jackson Lee and Uncle Teddy.
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    I understand and agree with your point, but plenty of folks here don't seem to think racism does exist, or if it does, that it's so rare that charges of racism are the much bigger issue in our nation.
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    Raising the debt limit just kicks it down the road a little further. Default is coming eventually. You can't run anything in the red forever.
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