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  1. LuthierJr

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    Maybe a bit optimistic in spots.... Not flashy but addresses some needs.

    1st round:

    #24: Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma


    2nd round:

    #48 (from SD) Rashaad Johnson - S - Alabama
    #56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon


    3rd round:

    #88 Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati
    #97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


    4th round:

    #120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State
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    I would be fine with it. Not very impressed with Duke Robinson. I think he can be had in the 2nd round. do like the johnson pick and Bear Pascoe.
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    I'd like to see you lay out your thoughts ranking NE's needs.
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    One minor point--the comp pick comes after all other picks, so it can't be earlier than #97.
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    Gotcha. Thanks.
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    Thanks for the comments. It's nice to have actual discussion instead of someone just saying "YOUR DRAFT SUCKS!" and such :)

    My thoughts on NE's needs.....

    I think the biggest needs are:

    Safety
    Offensive Line
    DT for the future
    Well rounded TE
    A Legit #1 RB (none struck me in this draft)
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    And actually in light of actually writing down my thoughts on needs I'm thinking maybe instead of Duke Robinson we grab up William Moore with the first pick (I expect Mays to be gone). Might look like this instead (moved some guys around with your insight.) I added Rashad Johnson as a later round pick at Saftey....I kinda like Nic Harris as a saftey as well. Big for the position (well he'd be a SS anyway), a little slow, but good football speed, has played MLB for Oklahoma this year too.

    #24: William Moore - S - Missouri


    2nd round:

    #48 (from SD) Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnati
    #56 Fenuki Tupou - OT - Oregon

    3rd round:

    #88 Rashad Johnson - S - Alabama
    #97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


    4th round:

    #120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State
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    I like that draft a lot better, though I'm not sure Moore slides that far and I want to watch him in his bowl game I recorded to assess his fit for NE.

    Just to give you some of my thoughts on the draft:

    #24: Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma to develop behind Randy Moss as a #3 and future #1. --- If some of the junior WR come out and push him to the second round I'm thinking LB Clint Sintim, Virginia (I want to try him at SILB, but he could also play OLB if he doesn't work out inside) or NT B.J. Raji, BC. If LB Brandon Spikes, Florida declares he would be the #1 option.

    #48: If he's still here, Connor Barwin, LB, Cincinnati (I just plain like this kid at OLB, I think he could be better there than he is as a DE now. He'd also be a #3 TE and he's a STs Ace.)

    #56: Augustus Parrish, OT, Kent State. --- Alternates would be Eric Woods, C, Louisville and Trevor Canfield, G, Cincinnati. (NFL Draft Scout has Fenuki at #42 -- Parrish or Fenuki would offer more versitility to move someone in at RG if needed.)

    #88: Eric Norwood, LB, South Carolina. --- Alternates would be Rashad Johnson, Courtney Greene, S, Rutgers, or Chip Vaughn, S, Wake Forest. (Norwood is a kid whom I think could be another Bruschi at ILB. The Safeties are self explanatory.)

    #97: Gilbert. (I think this kid could develop into another Jarvis Green.)

    Based on the Patriots' Free Agency moves (mostly re-signing their own) this will change drastically.
    - Currently I'm hoping Mike Wright is re-signed, if not B.J. Raji or his running mate Ron Brace will be more attractive to develop behind big Vince.
    - I'm hoping James Sanders is re-signed.
    - I'm expecting Russ Hochstein to be re-signed.

    Needs: S, ILB
    Future Needs: WR, DL, OL
    Competition/Upgrades: OLB, OL, WR
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    If we're spending a 1st round pick on Moore, why do we need to spend another pick on R. Johnson? Unless you are predicting Meriweather to come down the LM injury syndrome, I'd project him to start at the other safety spot in 2009. Might want to look into a linebacker or a tight end instead for round 3. I haven't heard much about Pascoe yet, but if he's as good as you think he probably won't last till the end of round 4.
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    Well I'm guessing Rodney is going to be a goner for good, and both the Sanders maybe too since they are UFA's. So maybe three vacancies at Saftey, but lets hope for no more than two. Therefore two new Safeties to fill the holes. I do expect Brandon to start..... But I forgot about ol' Tank Williams if he is able to come back healthy.....hmmm...if he doesn't though, and the other three go, then possibly 4 safeties gone (well three Safeties and one CB/S).

    Although now you mention it the second S spot might be better to go after a SS like Nic Harris who has the bigger build and strength to be a tweener LB/SS

    Loving the discourse fellas. Good stuff. I loose a little intrest in the playoffs since NE's not in it, but the draft is awesome year round :)
    Some info on Bear Pascoe (I love how well rounded he is and his blocking ability too...a little slow though):

    Bear Pascoe*|*Fresno State,*TE*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

    ESPN - NFL - NFLDraftTracker

    Of course these picks would/could change drastically with Free agency...but this is just to get my brain rolling...
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    I gotta wonder though... what kind of parents name their kid "Bear"? Or is that just a nickname. Kinda funny though. Tiger did turn out ok...
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    You get a nickname like Bear when you're 6'6" 250 in high school...as a quarterback. :) Pascoe's real name is the far, far less macho McKenna.

    Like everybody else on this board, I have mentally penciled him in as the second calf-roping Fresno State Bulldog on the Patriots' 2010 roster.
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    Ok I've been thinking, reading, and watching some more. Here is my updated list....for now..... I've spiced it up a bit with us trading Minnesota Cassel for a 1st rounder this year and a second next year.

    #23: (from MIN) - Brandon Spikes - ILB - Flordia
    #24: William Moore - S - Missouri


    2nd round:

    #48: (from SD) Darrius Heyward-Bey - WR - Maryland
    #56: Max Unger - OL - Oregon

    3rd round:

    #88 DeAngelo Smith - CB - Cincinnati
    #97 (comp pick) Jarron Gilbert - DT - SD State


    4th round:

    #120: Bear Pascoe - TE - Fresno State
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    If Mickens fell to the 3rd round, it would be because of a huge red flag.. And then the Pats would probably shy away from him.. The rest of the draft, other then Johnson and Pascoe doesn't seem to really fit the Patriots.
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    I wondered who's been stealing my thoughts! I like this draft a lot.
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    Try to read the whole thread there.... It's been updated twice since you joined the party. Never the less....thanks for the comments.
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    haha.. Well I got on board the Unger train recently. I like his partner Tupou too, but with more watching and reading Unger seems to be more well rounded. Always a plus.

    Mickens in the 3rd round does seem a little optimistic so I scratched him and went for Smith, although I like Domonique Johnson too, but maybe a round later.

    Jarron Gilbert, with a little added weight/muscle. Reminds me a little of Seymour. Great burst off the line. Good prospect with great talent for the future. YouTube - Jarron Gilbert 2008 Senior highlight tape

    Heyward-Bey may not last till the second round if he runs as fast as he may at the combine, but if he does I really like this kid. While WR is not a glaring need right now... it may be in a couple years.
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    So do I -- so much so that I'll allow that 2nd-round WR. :)
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    I read the whole thread. And commented on the first..

    In your second attempt, you still had 2 players who I question how they fit into the Patriots line-up. The DT from SD State and the OT from Oregon. In your 3rd iteration, You still had the DT from SD State.

    Where do you see him fitting in? He's about 20 lbs light for DE in the Pats system... Do you see him dropping 20 lbs and playing ILB?
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    Gilbert, who I addressed a few posts above, I see putting on a bit of weight and being a Seymour style player. I believe he is a solid DE/DT in our system within a couple years or sooner. I don't think he is fast enough to play ILB, and we don't need another OLB in my opinion. We do need some depth on the D line though.

    Oh and I was actually wrong on the School.. it's San Jose state on the DT....I got mixed up with O'Connell's school.
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    Not sure about 2010 second-rounder, but this year's first works for me.

    Can only imagine what these two legitimate Pats prospects would do for the D. Potentially, they could both make a difference this year. Both are on my list as potential picks at #24.

    Contrary to others here, I have no problem re-visiting the round two well for another WR. Keep in mind though, Heyward-Bey is not an NFL-ready receiver (ala Branch). But his physical tools would be perfect as the future Moss.

    Not on his bandwagon YET. I can understand the versatility angle, but there are other O-linemen to consider as well.

    The Cincy CBs are indeed impressive. There are a couple of other CB options in this 3rd round area -- Joe Burnett is one of my favorites.

    A solid sleeper pick who had a great season. Could easily see him bulking up as our 3-4 DE. Some teams will want him as their 4-3 DT for sure. He's been on my list as a Tomey connection.

    Can't say enough about this prospect. Forget his slow 40 time. He's an old school TE who plays the position the way it's meant to be played. He's not a pass-receiving Coffman (whom I also like), but whose blocking ability remains a mystery. Bear is a solid route running-good hands prospect whose blocking skills are a strength.

    Most here talk about the Pat Hill connection as the former O-line coach for BB at Cleveland (hence the Mankins pick). Some are now also aware that Pascoe and Mankins have similar upbringings down on the ranch. No one yet has mentioned that Mankins and Pascoe were also very good friends. If that's not enough to chew on,it has also yet to be mentioned that Hill was also Belichick's TE coach at Cleveland.

    If it's not obvious by now, I really like Pascoe, and will go out on a limb to say, I'd be very surprised if Bear isn't one of the Pats picks (earlier than round 4).
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    I guess I just don't see how a slow guy like Gilbert is going to put on 20 lbs and become a faster guy like Seymour.

    Thanks for the reply.
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    NFL Draft Scout lists Gilbert at 280; 5 lbs. lighter than Jarvis Green, and 15 lbs. off what Sey claimed to be this season. He's got very good strength and very good hands. Depending on how he does at the Combine and whichever All-Star game he's going to, I expect his stock to rise. I believe he has the functional strength and the hands to play as a 2-gap 5-technique, and he'd be a stud on passing downs. Take another look Db, this draft is shy of 3-4 prospects and this kid is sliding towards my binkie list. LJr done good with this selection. :rocker:
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    Seymour and Green both have something this kid Gilbert doesn't. And that is speed. Gilbert is a good quarter second slower than either of them.

    Green is a situational pass rusher who uses his speed and technique to get to the QB. Seymour is an every down player who uses his speed and techniquie to get to the QB. Gilbert is someone who doesn't seem to have speed. So, while he may be good as a 3-4 DE, he seems light and I don't see him adding 15-20 lbs without losing more speed.
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    Gilbert has a very good burst off the line. Or so that is the way it looks to me. You may be right but how often do these guys run 40 yards? The initail burst and power is what impresses me.

    All this is just in fun of course. We all are probably wrong :)
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    I was referring to short area quickness. And I guess I just don't see the same out of this guy to think that he could beat out even LeKevan Smith. Never mind be a replacement for Seymour or Green.

    And yes, its all in fun..
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    I would love to see us pick Gerald McRath from Southern Miss in the later rounds. I think he is a similar athlete to Guyton but he has been extremely productive in college.
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    I would be veryconcerned if BB took Robinson in the first. He doesn't usually go for the flabby, leaners, he prefers the athletic drive blockers instead.
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