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    So if a deal is not worked out, does it become a "who is friends with whom" scenario? Urban Meyer and Charlie Weis supply their tapes, and all their opponent's tapes to BB, for example? I would hope that teams are recoding games off the air "just in case" every week; better to have that than nothing at all.
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    Meyer is with the SEC so if the conference forbids him, is he going to go against the conference?

    I don't see how a bunch of juniors jumping into the upcoming draft makes the Raiders' #1 more valuable. It makes it less.

    On the other hand, all the extra picks in the second round next year may work out well for the Patriots.
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    What a great find,bradyftw............I had no idea what goes on with the game tapes.Anyone think that there might be some side deals going on between College AD's and NFL GM's?

    Like I said in the thread on the CBA................this draft in 2010,is going to be a nightmare.You think the Crabtree slotting thing was a fiasco,wait 'till next year!
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    Just goes to show you how things can change pretty quickly.

    Two years ago, I remember Dimitroff doing a behind-the-scenes tour on All-Access of the store room where the Patriots kept all their college prospect tapes; it was immense - wall-to-wall tapes. He said they have 600-800 point of attack tapes on their targeted prospects each year. I'm not sure if the video department goes ahead and digitalizes those for easier viewing, or whether scouts just view the tapes themselves (which would obviously be cut and spliced to just show the point of attack for each prospect, each play).

    This would appear to be the first year that the NCAA (or, more accurately, the conferences) are digitalizing the tapes and then sending them eletronically. The NFL already tapes each game, loads them into their own computer system which sorts them by play, and then sends those out to other teams. So the NCAA is really behind the curve on this one - VHS tapes are archaic technology. You'd expect that the NFL would just cut out the taping step altogether (they may have already) and just record them digitally - maybe even in HD if the storage costs were that low - and store them that way.

    I guess the question is whether teams would normally have to digitalize the NCAA tapes once they receive them in hard copy. If they do, then it's reasonable that this XOS company would request a fee. But if they don't, then the NFL isn't going to pay for something they haven't needed to in the past.
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    I would imagine the teams hurt the most would be those who do not fund extensive in house scouting staffs and those who rely heavily on scouting services. We aren't one of those.
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    That's what the article implied, but that obviously would increase costs for the team as well (just getting the proper TV/internet feeds for each game would be costly).

    The thing that surprised me the most in the article was that teams no longer do old-fashioned, "in the stands" scouting. Makes sense though - reduces travel costs and it's easier to dissect a player from a tape than from in the stands, live speed.

    It would stand to reason then that area scouts right now stay mainly at Gillette for the course of the season, using the summer/preseason to figure out potential prospects and communicate with teams/coaches. Then during the course of the college season they will get the tapes (in a normal season) and evaluate their region's prospects that way. Then after the season is over, they go on trips with management/coaches to workout individual players, scout bowl/all-star games, and then eventually do the combine work. So by the time the draft comes they can produce a final report on the prospect.
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    It's in good hands. Read the article. Polian is charged with resolving the issue.
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    How so? Both the scouting services and the in-house scouting staffs are using the same tapes to evaluate. Unless you mean in-house scouting staffs have a better chance at working out a deal with individual schools and coaches.

    The biggest advantage for in-house staffs over scouting services is that in-house staffs can scout from a prospective of what a team is looking for in a player.
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    It's also important to note that XOS supplies most sports teams, including NFL teams, with their video management systems. This includes the Patriots - every time you see video of a Pats meeting room that's an XOS system. Hell, if you watched All-Access after the draft, the computer monitor setup in that room had an XOS Patriots-themed desktop background. If you watched Hard Knocks in 2007, Herm Edwards' computer had an XOS Chiefs-themed desktop background.
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    Somewhere I read that the Pats are one of three teams that doesn't use the combined scouting reports but have their own. I'm sketchy on the details but if I can find a link......
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    Pioli mentioned it in a Providence radio interview w/ Bryan Morry pre-draft in 2007. However, this is different - the Pats don't subscribe to a scouting service that gives them prospects reports, yes, but they do still collect tapes from colleges/conferences in order to use for their OWN scouting services. This is preventing them from doing that.
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    I think if they are to hold out indef, that it negatively affects the players that go from say Rnd4-UDFA. Mabye that guy that is a diamond in the rough never gets found, maybe Brady(6 Rnd) drifts off as a UDFA cast off, never to play a down in the NFL...
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    i think this is just one more reason to put a rookie CAP in place


    how can they give a rookie 50 and 60 million if they cant see every play to get a fell for the guy
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    I think this is unlikely. It isn't like teams will draft no one on day 2, or that they will stop teams from trying out UDFAs. While the process will be more haphazard, those guys will still end up in camps.
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    Yes ... and I always thought Bill worked mostly on word of mouth and tips from his amigos in the coaching ranks. I remember reading where Bill would talk to the water guy or the locker room guy asking questions about prospects.
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    the highly hyped generally perform and don't make it below radar since they are well known. The tapes help with the mediocrities and this is where the "hidden gem" aspect comes from........ (This Scouting). Scouting shows how a player looks in games/practice/ etc....... stats are always available. but they r just numbers.






    the top will perform and their numbers will speak. Middle tier athletes benefit the most b/c less is seen about them in game impacts.



    I really don't give a ****.... i'm tired, rambling

    good night :)
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    From what I have read, this affects the NFL agency that tells college

    juniors where they will be drafted in the 2010 draft. Without this

    information, a lot of juniors will declare for the draft without any

    chance of being drafted. The colleges are shooting themselves in

    the foot.
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    Another reason... Seymour won't be a Raider next year

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