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    ......here are some surprise teams with Defenses that have performed worse than us so far this season. We are currently ranked #23 in total yards allowed per game with 376.0 and #19 in points allowed per game with 23.3.


    1.) NY Jets #21 in points allowed per game with 24.3

    2.) Detroit Lions #22 in points allowed per game with 25.0 (this may go down a little with tonight's game)

    3.) New Orleans Saints #30 in points allowed per game with 30.3 and #32 in total yards allowed with 465.5 per game

    4.) Buffalo Bills #31 in points allowed per game with 32.4 and #31 in total yards allowed with 424.1 per game

    5.) Baltimore Ravens #26 in total yards allowed per game with 400.0

    6.) NY Giants #24 in total yards allowed per game with 379.7
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    Interesting observation for sure, but I still think that some very important aspects of our defense are bad for sure ;)
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    Sanchez's second half performance against the New England Patriots defense:

    16 comp/20 atts 190 yards 1 TD

    That is simply pathetic!
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    definitely. nice to know pats arent the worst (or even second worst) though...even if they are pretty bad. run defense in yards is 8th right now...but second in YPR. Secondary has given up the most big plays in the league...but its not overall worse than the saints, bucs, or redskins.
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    The lack of padded practices, per the CBA, may be impeding the development of many defenses including ours..

    Games have become padded practices... unfortunately.

    Inexperience also is an issue for us, our starting d backfield last week had less than 7 years total experience in the NFL..
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    I'd buy the inexperienced/younger unit theory. But, we all have the same number of padded practices. Granted a more seasoned unit could make better progress with fewer padded practices, so it could compound the issue with a young unit.

    AND/OR

    They just have limited potential, but I would say they are more talented than they are currently showing on the field (which means they can improve throughout the season).
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    its the coachesl......or the scouting department

    ultimately, 100% of the buck stops with BB

    he assembles his staff.......the offense was fine, but they add mcdaniels and things haven't been quite fine since (looks like the same playbook as last year's SB).....the defense has sucked, but they keep on keepin on with the inexperienced boobs that they have.

    the problem is not going to fix itself....I think after a few years of defensive ineptness, the point is made
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    I really don't take any solace in the fact that other D's are even crappier than ours. ;)
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    Our d backfield is slowly developing, and being so young to the NFL it will take longer to get to where they need to be.. perhaps Gregory was anticipated to be some type of DB leader...

    Heard Troy Brown talk about this 3 or 4 times now, and it does make some sense..

    When you have three practices sans padsd(like they did last week) they are not getting the reps they need to progress.. game situations are not being simulated.

    Troy was saying that is why there are so many teams near the .500 mark in the NFL...
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    well.....considering 3 of them (mccourty, chung, arrington) are in their 3rd or 4th year goes against this notion.......especially when they appeared to be better players 2 years ago
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    Chung did not play last Sunday.. Dennard, Wilson, McCourty and Arrington add up to less than 8 years, probably about 7.5 years of experience..
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    Thing is, IDGAF about other defenses...
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    except that it was no different when chung was playing the weeks prior ......you're missing the point
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    Sorry, I was wrong they had less than 6 years experience..
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    Nor should you, but developing perspective is often enlightening.
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    yeah....but the 'sucks as bad or worse' argument doesn't work either

    my issue is the appearance of the possibility for improvement and with the secondary, I don't see the bodies that would suggest that this is a bunch that simply needs time
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    If Patrick Hill had caught that pass late deep in our Territory...the Jets probably would have scored a go ahead TD...that drop was Huge.
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    The perspective is there. But having it doesn't help our defense, particularly our pass defense, get better. That's what I do GAF about.
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    You mean Stephen Hill, but he drops most balls coming his way. But you can look at a lot of individual plays and say what if.

    If Dennard caught the ball over Kerley which was right in his hands rather than tipping it, the Pats would have had a turnover rather than giving up a TD on that drive. In fact, I think that play was on a 3rd and 7 and if he tipped the ball and it didn't bounce in Kerley's hands the Jets would have punted rather than scoring a TD on that drive.

    My point is you can look at a lot of individual plays and say if a player didn't screw up, the game could have been very different.
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    yeah....just like the cromartie drop on the gronk target in the 4th quarter 3 and out

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    How much experience did that Seattle late round CB have again...I forget.
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    And if <fill in the blank Ne WR> had caught the ball or Gostkowski hadn't developed the yipps.... See, there is more than one way to play that game. Hill didn't catch that ball because that's who he is. Same deal with that WR Baltimore kicked to the curb after the AFCC game last year. I'm a lot more disappointed in the offense and ST at this juncture than I am with a secondary that is what it is. Got to the SB last season with a defense that was less talented overall and worse statistically.
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    the seatlle starting secondary has 10 total years......2 each for sherman and browner

    I think the difference there is that their secondary brings certain physical qualities that you don't see with the pats. makes you think that even if they don't have the technique, they can bring it in some manner to make a big play. they are very rough around the edges, but they are beasts
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    I see no reason why this should be anyones attitude? There is no defending how bad they have been but there is plenty of reason to think it will and should get better as the year goes on. It would be a huge stretch to say it will be good this year but two simple things and this can be a better secondary 1) Health, Chung and Gregory need to get healthy (I know these guys aren't great but they are better then Ebner and the depth when healthy is needed) 2) rookies, no reason to think Dennard and Wilson cant improve as the year goes on.


    I know its hard to look past the trends of the last few years and more importantly the trend of the first half of the year but this is a young secondary with 2 of its Vets hurt and there is no reason to give up on the idea of improvement from the unit. Dont get me wrong they likely wont be shutting anyone out anytime soon but they certainly can improve. Really all I need from them is for them to continue to turn the ball over and for them to tighten up a little in the 4th quarter, ok maybe more than a little, but I am not expecting huge improvements but they better improve.
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    Yes, Chung and Gregory have been lights out this year....wait until they come back... it will be all rainbows and unicorns.;)

    Wait, is that a rainbow coming out of Wilfork's ass now??????? Wow, can't wait to see the unicorns.... :D
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    We can go back and forth all day. If McCourty didn't run the ball out of the end zone before the two minute warning. If Dowling didn't hold Keller on what would have been an incompletion anyway on a third down the Jets' first TD drive. If Greene didn't recover his own fumble on the Jets' 48, the Pats might have score on the next drive.

    There are plenty of individual plays for either team that could have changed the outcome of the game. You can probably say this for about 60-70% of the games each weekend.
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    The broader point I (feebly) attempted to make was, does every secondary corps ranked above the Pats have vastly more experience? I don't think it's just a matter of that, skill and/or coaching factors just as heavily into the equation, no?
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    understood........but you're the one who started with single plays or replacement refs as being the difference between 3-4 and 7-0

    the pats deserve to be exactly where they are........just because they could be 7-0 does not mean they should be.

    that said, they have literally been in the drivers seat in every game. the fact that they are 4-3 is simply because they have not played as well as they could. the possible reasons are between coaching and execution......a combination of the 2.
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    it would be a completely different mindset if we had a bunch of guys retire over the last 2 years.

    they are 6 years into using more picks on the secondary than any other position....there is a consistent changing of the names, but the result is the same.....or worse

    there is no reason to believe that this bunch is going anywhere because of where previous picks (meriweather, wheatley, butler) have wound up as well as where soe are heading (chung, dowling)

    I do think for the most part that the type of player they are pursuing is not long for this league. none of them have any outstanding physical characteristics....some have some speed, but it has not translated.

    maybe they're looking for hte wrong thing.
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    I stated it was a close game that came down to the last play and some questionable refs calls in response to saying that the Pats have only one playoff caliber team and lost. I was stating it was a game that went down to the wire that could have gone either way. It wasn't like the Pats were totally outclassed by the Ravens. The poster implied that the Pats have shown they cannot compete with the playoff caliber teams. That was a game that could have gone either way. I think on a neutral field, the Pats would have won that game but we will never know.

    I also never said the Pats could have been 7-0.
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