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    Surprisingly, not the absolute, automatic slam-dunk answer I assumed it was. There was a recent thread with the premise that Pats fans should root against the Steelers in the Super Bowl for this reason, and at first I thought that was unnecessary (although I’m rooting for Arizona anyway). Think about it—3 Super Bowls! A Perfect Season! Dominating the headlines! Pats coaches all over the place! The decade of the ought’s belongs to the Pats! How could anyone think otherwise?

    Well, I still think that’s true, but I can see how arguments could be made if things break a certain way over the next season.

    It does appear that there’s only 3 teams that could hope to claim the throne……the Pats, the Steelers, and the Colts.

    How is a “team of the decade” defined? It’s obviously not a formal designation, but most of the time a team clearly emerges. The overriding element is championships. In the nineties, there was a brief question about which team was the team of the decade in baseball—the Atlanta Braves won their division year after year. But by the end of the decade, the Yankees 4 World Series victories to the Braves one pretty much settled things. As we all know, the Pats have 3 this year, and could make it 4 (let’s say for the sake of argument the decade ends next season—I know there’s disagreement about where to start and end centuries and decades.) The Colts have one, so can’t catch up. The Steelers have one, but could win this one and next. So, we could see a tie there.

    What other criteria should be applied. Let’s look at wins and playoff appearances. This decade the Pats have 7 playoff appearances, the Colts 8, and the Steelers 6. So the Colts will likely take that one, although the Pats could tie. And on wins, the Pats lead with 102, followed by the Colts at 101, and then the Steelers at 94. On a related note, I heard recently that the Pats have the best winning percentage of any team in any sport this decade. So that counts for a little more. With such a slim lead, of course, the Colts could finish with more wins than the Pats, although it’s unlikely.

    So, “worst case” scenario, the decade would end with the Pats tied for championships with one team, and behind another team in wins and playoff appearances. Considering the haters out there, we’d hear a lot about the Colts and Steelers, I think. Best case—and most likely—the Pats end the decade with the most Super Bowls (whatever that number might be) and the most wins, the only 16-0 season in history (unless the Pats do it again next year!), and all the other intangibles above—dominating the headlines and league throughout the last 10 years. So the Pats have the clear inside track for this mythical title…..but I might root just a little harder against Pittsburgh next week.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    I would argue that the decade is 2001-2010.
    When I count, I count 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 not 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9.
    There was the same confusion at the start of the century which started 1/1/2001.
    The first century was 100 years long and ended on December 31, 100.
    The first year of the first centuty was Year 1, not Year 0.

    That being said, there are three candidates as you say.
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    C'mon, didn't I say for the sake of argument let's look at it the way I did? I don't want to do two sets of numbers! I understand how you count, and how there's disagreement there. I see and understand the point. But for me when 1999 rolled over to 2000, it felt like the start of a new decade. Let's go with this for now!
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    i think the only way there is a question about us being the team of the Decade is if the Steelers win in 8 days then again next year.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    There is no plausible way it could be the Colts.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    Anyone who followed the NFL during this period knows who the team of the decade was. It isn't the Steelers or Colts.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    This is a debate that neither you nor I nor anyone else is actually going to win. If you research this, you will find the following:

    (1) A decade technically begins with the "1" year and ends with the next "0" year, no matter how it "feels" to any of us. So, the 2000 decade technically begins with 2001 and ends with 2010.

    (2) However, common usuage (i.e., the way most people think about it) regards a decade as beginning with the "0" year and ending with the "9" year. So, in common usage the 2000 decade begins with 2000 and ends with 2009.

    As a practical matter, people are going to use the definition that suits their own purposes and makes the point they want to make. And, they would all be right, on the one hand "technically" (1) and on the other hand in terms that most people use (2). As Pats fans, we probably want the decade to end sooner rather than later so we can declare victory and move on. Therefore, we'd take definition (2).

    Let the silly, meaningless, useless arguing begin!!!
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    Saw in my local news rag this morning (Dayton Daily News) that the Pats are the only team to win back to back Super Bowls this decade.
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    Well, they can't win 3 Super Bowls, but they could end the decade as the leader in wins and playoff appearances. I do agree with you though.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    Technically yes, the decade is 2001-2010. Practically speaking though most people think of it as 2000-2009. For example, just about everyone considers 1980 to be part of the '80's and not the '70's.

    Regardless of which year it started, the team of the decade is still the Pats.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    The decade for me started 2000 and goes to 2009. The same way the second millenium started 2000 and not 2001.
    Anyway the Patriots are the team of the decade. 3 superbowls and one superbowl defeat.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    Exactly correct. And, the people who want to wait and see if they can make the case for the Steelers will chose the "technical definition" and see what happens this year and over the next two seasons. As a Pats fan, I want to use the "Practically speaking" approach.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    All are entitled to their opinion. For you, the first millenium had 999 years (1-999) and the second 1000 years (1000-1999) years. For some us, and for all scientists, each millenium has 1000 years (1-1000, 1001-2000, and 2001-3000 and so forth). Each decade has 10 years. The first decades of each millenium is counted as 1-10, 1001-1010 and 2001-2010. The issue is that there was no year zero. For us, we are asked to count, we start at 1, not at zero.

    The new millenium started on January 1, 2001.

    I suppose we could count seasons by the date they end instead of when they begin, in which case, I would agree that the 2001-2010 "seasons" constitute a decade. We would then now still be in the 2009 season and be entering the 2010 season.

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    Look. No matter what happens, we will likely finish with the most wins in the decade (one ahead of the Colts at the moment), the most Super Bowl wins in the decade, and (very likely) the most playoff wins in the decade. Even if the Squealers win one this year (I am rooting very hard for Arizona) and the Dolts or Vagiants win one next year, we will still have the most Super Bowl wins in the decade. Why anyone is worrying about this is absolutely beyond me. Years from now, when they look at dynasties past and present, the New England Patriots will be the first team mentioned for the 2000s.
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    I think the other factor in talking about decades as they relate to football is that the seasons aren't self-contained in a single calendar year. The playoffs are in January and the Super Bowl in February of the next year. So if you go to the season after next to end the decade, you're talking about a game played in February 2011 as being in the first decade of the century, which seems weird.
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    We've already clinched team of the decade, but if the Steelers do get 3 it will put them right up there behind us. I want the clear distinction, plus I don't want Steelers getting ring 6.
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    The second millenium started in 1001.

    But if you meant that the third millenium started in 2000, what year do you think that the first millenium started in?

    (Remember, a millenium is 1000 years).
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    Re: And the Team of the Decade Is......

    Agree on multiple fronts. When the Colts got knocked out (imo) and then - although less threatening - the Giants, the Patriots clinched "Team of the Decade."

    We know the numbers but here they are anyway - from 01 - 08:

    3 Super Bowl titles
    4 Super Bowl appearances
    1 ONLY TEAM IN THE DECADE TO WIN BACK TO BACK SB'S - as one poster pointed out
    5 AFC Title Game appearances
    6 Playoff appearances in 8 years - with at least one win in each appearance
    1 Undefeated regular season

    Sorry Steelers fans. Even if you win the next two, you still lose out.

    you're numbers may be impressive but one number will always jump out:

    2 LOSSES TO NEW ENGLAND IN AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES - AT HOME TO BOOT!!!!!

    70's steelers
    80's niners
    90's cowboys
    2000's (or whatever the hell we're calling it) Patriots

    AND I too DO NOT want Pitt to get their 6th ring. That's a mighty big accomplishment and it's hard to catch!!!
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    Isn't the calendar based on the birth of Christ...Therefore during the first year of his time on earth it would be 0 years old until he turned one...kinda like when anyone has their first birthday. So the first year is 0.
    And yup, the Pats are the team of the decade no question in my un-biased mind.
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    The Team of the decade has to be the Patriots. I mean, if they are comparable to the Colts and Steelers in all other categories AND have more championships it sounds like a done deal.

    Of course, I know that the NFL much like life is a 'what have you done for me lately' league. The Patriots lose points in this category as they have not won since 2004.
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