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  1. DarrylS

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    Saw this article this AM, about how mohammed atta's luggagge was not put on the plane in Portland and how the two pieces tied all of the conspiracy together for the investigators. My issue is that from afar it looks too tidy, know atta and crew were not rocket scientists, but to bring two pieces of luggage with all of their info inside; including plans, names of conspirators, last wills etc. Then not get them on the planes and then the investigators find them... I do not subscribe to all of the conspiracy theories, but sometimes this stuff does not seem as real as it should be.

    http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...7,0,3743892.story?coll=ny-homepage-bigpix2005

    Former federal terrorism investigators say a piece of luggage hastily checked in at the Portland, Maine, airport by a World Trade Center hijacker on the morning of Sept. 11 provided the Rosetta stone enabling FBI agents to swiftly unravel the mystery of who carried out the suicide attacks and what motivated them.

    A mix-up in Boston prevented the luggage from connecting with the plane that hijackers crashed into the north tower of the trade center. Seized by FBI agents at Boston's Logan Airport, investigators said, it contained Arab-language papers revealing the identities of all 19 hijackers involved in the four hijackings, as well as information on their plans, backgrounds and motives.

    The luggage saga represents what the former federal authorities describe as an untold story of 9/11 -- offering explanations for questions long unanswered about the investigation of the tragedy, such as how authorities were able to identify the hijackers so soon after the attacks.

    The former federal investigators said information found in the bag was passed on to Justice Department lawyers, who prosecuted Zacarias Moussaoui on charges growing out of the suicide attacks. A Justice Department spokesman, Brian Roehrkasse, said: "Under the judge's order, we're not going to comment on anything relating to the case."
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    You mean to say the dude's luggage got delayed in Boston, and you see this as something that makes you go "hmmmm..."...?

    Besides, the untold story of the "untold story" is probably that his luggage was given a little extra bit of scrutiny before his trans-continental flight and that probably caused the delay which made it miss his plane in the first place. I doubt it was the "mix-up" they claim it was.
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    I think he means that it's somewhat strange that the hijackers would have information in their suitcases. It may seem odd, but if you were one of the hijackers, and you knew you were going to fly a 757 into the WTC, you'd probably want all your evidence with you as the attack would make for the ultimate paper shredder. No way any of the info survives the attack if it's on the plane.
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    The official story explaining 9-11 is a coverup.

    This is the greatest tragety in american history, and has yet to be fully investigated or explained.

    Treason.
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    How do you explain the fact that they found passports from the 'hijackers' in NYC? Somehow the passports can survive a planecrash and building collapse.


    http://911research.wtc7.net/disinfo/deceptions/passport.html
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    George Bush & Dick Cheney were flying the planes. It was a controlled demolition, and Charlie Sheen is right, they weren't commercial airliners. He's seen them before and like Pujo, he's a bottom-line kind of guy.
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    Republicants are too scared to look into what really happened. Thats why Bush stonewalled the 911 commission so long. They don't want the public to know how for 30 minutes hijacked plans could be offcourse and bearing down on targets and the air force was told to stand down. Bushs public relations pet goat reading was more important than national security.
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    .........No sh!t?
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    What exactly would have liked to see happen?

    Hindsight = 20/20
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    They certainly shouldn't have allowed over a hundred Saudis, some connected with bin Laden to fly out of the country immediately after 9/11.
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    It's really amazingly brazen of the chimp to have let these possible witnesses leave the country so soon after the bombing. I'm not saying they should have been denied due process or charged with a crime However, in the days in weeks after the attack, the government had total control over what happenned in the US and who went where and when. They could have held these people much longer with no one questioning the motives of the police. They literally had total control over everything for a number of weeks. Why did they let any people of Arabic citizenship leave the country? They knew the connections to Al Queda. And why the hell did they want to leave the country so soon? Maybe they knew where Bin Ladin was!
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    If they had held them there would have been screams of Racism, Civil Liberties Violations, FREEDOM, Constitution, Offending Arabs, Profiling, Al Boob Gore/Jimmy Carter/John Fonda Kerry/Uncle Teddy/Jessie Jackoff/Little Dumpling Sharpton/Racist Rangle/and Cynthia McKinney would all have set themselves on fire in front of the White House.

    We just don't offend Muslims like that, detain them, my God, how cruel and racists.
    The democrats don't even want to look in their sneakers let alone detain them.
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    As I indicated previously, try not to subscribe to conspiracy theories, but a lot of this does not make sense.... the demise of WTC 7, these suitcases, allowing saudi's to leave the country while no one else could along with a whole bunch of other stuff... lead me to believe there is more to the story. OTOH, if there was some internal conspiracy they would have had to buy the silence of hundreds of folks... at least one has to have a conscience. The whole thing makes me wonder.
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    God is it any wonder the Muslims love the democrats.
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    His only begotten son, George, loved them so he let them leave the country without questioning right after 9/11, when no one in this country could even get close to an airport.
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    I am glad I am not amongst the uneduacated populace who gladly believe very single little urban legend they read because they want to believe it.

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp

    Man it must suck to be blown out of the water like that, huh...?
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    If he held them the NY Times would have crucified him for "Offending Them" it isn't politically correct to Offend Arabs, who in their right mind would dare Violate The Civil Liberties Of A "Muslim Arab".

    It's a good thing for the Arabs that he did let them leave, the mood the country was in then somebody would probably have found a way to kill the bastards.
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    Well, that settles it. Couldn't have happened because you found a column in which the FBI says it didn't happen. We know that the FBI would never lead us astray, and has always been honest and upfront with us throughout its' history. Case in point, for nearly three years the White House, aviation and law enforcement officials insisted the flight never took place. At the request of the National Commission of Terrorist Attacks, TIA officials have confirmed that the flight did take place. Oh, that flight! We were confused.
    As the individual who was working at the Tampa International Airport who stated there was a flight, "who am I to disagree with the FBI".
    But honestly, there is nothing else that we are covering up.
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    There is plenty more evidence out there to support my point, including the official investigation into 9/11. I have given one well-respected source to back up my statement, but don't foll yourself into thinking that's the only source.

    Face it... people that believe and perpetuate these lies are doing so with a political agenda. It's really that simple.
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    First of all don't call people uneducated, you don't know crap about my education.. second of all I find your sig offensive and it is beyond any sense of decency of what is allowed on this board.

    While I have a lot of respect for Snopes, sometimes they might not get it right, consider the below..I have said all along I don't want to believe conspiracy theories, however the two pieces of luggage found in Boston seem to be too easy..

    http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/09/Tampabay/TIA_now_verifies_flig.shtml

    TAMPA - Two days after the Sept. 11 attacks, with most of the nation's air traffic still grounded, a small jet landed at Tampa International Airport, picked up three young Saudi men and left.

    The men, one of them thought to be a member of the Saudi royal family, were accompanied by a former FBI agent and a former Tampa police officer on the flight to Lexington, Ky.

    The Saudis then took another flight out of the country. The two ex-officers returned to TIA a few hours later on the same plane.
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    That fat pig Moore told the mindless sheep that it happened, so it is fact!:bricks:
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    I guess if GWB says so it must be it, there is no room for doubt as Karl Rove told George to tell you so.
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    So do I, which is why I have PLONKED Pujo. But since he is a liberal and he directed his insult at a conservative, the hypocritical moderator of this forum won't be doing anything about it.

    I read (and snipped) the article below and while I certainly agree there are issues raised, I just don't see any sort of top-to-bottom conspiracy about it.

    Well, I already gave my little theory about that...
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    What does that have to do with whether or not fighter jets should have been scrambled sooner and what they should have done via engagement of the planes?


    The ship had virtually sailed when the Bin Ladin clan high tailed it out of the US and A.
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    As if they were going to shoot them out of the sky.
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    They should have round up every person with a tan, and put them in fenced in local stadiums as was done in the movie The Siege. WW II America all over again. All slants to the prison camps.

    Remember guys that the Bin Ladens didn't leave later that day. they were all interviewed by the FBI. Furthermore these were business people who were known commodities. It's not like they were going to skip town and hide in the mountains of Afghanistan. I think there are questions to be asked, but I think this issue was overblown a bit. Too many people saw Farenhype and think that fatman's version is how it really went down.
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    Are we really sure that flight 93 was not shot down?? Or do we just believe what we are told??
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    The Tub Of Sh!t Michale Moore:

    The biggest swindler and con man since Barnum & Bailey.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    Go Get Em Mike :singing:
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    If you believe the official story of 9-11, you must also believe in magic bullets.

    you must also believe Iraq still has hidden WMDs

    You must also believe that Bush did his very best, and still is, for the people of the Gulf Region.

    You must believe that invading a soverign nation is legal.

    You must believe that Iraq is where the terrorists are, and be satisfied with the capture of Saddam Hussein, and non capture of the supposid leader of Al Quaeda

    You must believe that even though we have captured the mastermind of 9-11 (The blind Sheik), he has yet to be charged with the crime. Even though you believe that torture is a justified means to extract information.

    You must believe that the identified prime suspect (Bin Laden) isn't wanted by the FBI for 9-11. You believe that teh FBI is keeping his connection with this tragic even a secret.

    You also must believe that our miltary and homeland defense system is pathetic. And if you believe that...how is sending the national guard to Iraq made us any safer, or handing over out port security to a nation that suposidly funded 9-11 makingf us safe?

    You must believe FOX news, and talking points. You must not question things. You must

    You must believe in tax breaks during war time, and no bid contacts for millionaires who never inted to complete a job, or be held accountable.

    History will frown upon this chapter in american history.
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    Sounds like one of my more energetic (rants) posts, good work, your right on with all of them except the millionaire one, there are now to many millionaire democrats in the country (M Moore) is one of them.

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