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  1. ctpatsfan77

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    Just throwing this out for thought: every year in the Belichick era, the Patriots have made at least one trade, if not more, during the first two rounds of the draft.

    In the past three years alone, we've seen:

    2009: 23 -> 26, 26 -> 34, and 47 -> 40
    2008: 7 -> 10
    2007: 28 -> 2008 1st
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    I liked all those trades because we usually end up getting lopsided value in our favor. But in a draft with this much depth, I'm kind of hoping Bill just uses all the picks we have.
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    I'm sure BB can get great value with the picks we already have. But I'm also sure he's going to trade around. Some possibilities:

    1. Trade some vets for picks. BB traded Ellis Hobbs last year. The 3rd round of this draft will have some very good talent. I could see Matt Light, James Sanders, and Adalius Thomas all being potential trades, either in 2010 or 2011.

    2. Trade the 1st round pick. There aren't that many guys who I see as sure thing 1st round values (Derrick Morgan, Cameron Heyward and Rolando McClain are my 3), and the rest will be bunched together. I could see BB trading back as he did in 2009, or trading out of the draft altogether for what is likely to be a high 2011 pick. The likelihood of a 2011 rookie salary scale makes this attractive, and 2011 is likely to be rich at the top and thin at the bottom. I could even see trading the pick to a team like Carolina with no 1st round pick for Julius Peppers if there were some way of working around the money issue (which I can't see).

    3. Trade around in the 2nd round. Just like in 2009, I wouldn't be surprised to see us move around a few spots to get someone specific.

    4. Trade back into the draft. 2011 is not likely to have the depth that 2010 will have. It's possible (though this is not BB's style, so it's unlikely) that we could trade forward to pick up a particular player in 2010 who slips.

    I'm sure BB will be active. whatever else happens.
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    The only certainty is BB will wheel and deal...
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    In addition, BB made some other moves:

    2009: Traded Ellis Hobbs and then traded 2 picks to get back into the 4th round.
    2008: Traded 3(69) (acquired from Oakland from a 2007 draft day trade) to San Diego for a 2009 2nd round pick.
    2007: Traded a late 3rd round pick to Oakland for a 2008 3rd round pick. Traded an early 4th round pick to Oakland for Randy Moss.
    2006: Traded 2(52) and 3(75) to Green Bay for 2(36). That one didn't work out so well for us.
    2005: Traded 2(64) to Baltimore for 3(75) and a 2006 2nd round pick.
    2004: Traded a 2nd round pick to Cincinnati for Corey Dillon.
    2003: Traded up one spot from 14 to 13 to get Ty Warren. Traded 1(19) to Baltimore for 2(36) plus Baltimore's 2004 1st round pick.
    2002: Traded 1(32) plus a 3rd round pick to move up to 1(21) for Dan Graham.
    2001: Traded up in the 2nd round to get OT Matt Light.

    I think at least one trade is pretty likely.
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    Yes, but some of those weren't moves in the first two rounds. ;)
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    We don't need more picks this year though. What are our "needs"? Do we have any?

    1. OLB
    2. 3rd receiver
    3. RB

    We will draft BPA, our needs are sad :)
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    I'm sure people said last year that there was no way we could have so many rookies make the team. But they didn, and many have contributed.

    I see plenty of needs:

    - Pass rushers - preferably 2. Could be DEs, could be OLBs.
    - OL help. At least one interior lineman. Could upgrade RT as well.
    - Depth at running back. Morris, Taylor and Faulk are well into their 30's. Could use a eventual Faulk successor plus a power back.
    - Depth a 3-4 DE. Green will probably walk, and Seymour is gone.
    - Depth at TE. Plus, could use an impact TE if Watson walks.
    - Competition for Hanson at punter.

    And that's assuming that we resign Wilfork, Mankins, Bodden and Gostkowski. If those guys go then we at least could use depth at those positions. And some (like yourself) would argue that we could use WR depth as well, though I'm content to see what Brandon Tate brings.
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    The only one of the four that's really a concern is Bodden, who has a no-franchise clause in his contract.

    Everybody in the NFL expects that Wilfork will either be extended or franchised (so, if God forbid, someone gets him, they're going to cough up two first-rounders to do it). Gostkowski and Mankins can't be unrestricted free agents unless there's a new CBA, and they may be RFAs even if there is (apparently, the NFLPA is willing to keep the current free agency rules in place for 2010 as a concession to get a new CBA done this year).
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    This draft looks to be amazingly deep with red chippers to be available late into the second round. The last time there was a draft this deep, BB made zero moves and just took what fell to him.
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    Here's the interesting thing, though: the Patriots received at least one offer, and maybe more, offering a 2010 first (and more, obviously) for their first in 2009. They didn't bite on any of those offers, despite having three second-rounders last year to work with. [Note I'm not saying that they should have made such a trade, merely that they've stated it was on the table.]
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    The Pats won't have to trade for Peppers. Unless Peppers caves in and signs long term with the Panthers, his cap number would reach 20 million dollars if the Panthers choose to franchise him again. From what I've read, the word is that Carolina won't be able to keep franchising him. He either signs long term or he walks....to New England ;)
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    Read the "Final Eight Plan" in the CBA, and you'll see why this is extremely unlikely, even if the Panthers let Peppers walk.
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    Good info!
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    I know about that rule but I'm sure their are loopholes around that.

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