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    #18 Jersey

    Let's get something on the table right now.

    Americans do NOT want a change from capitalism to socialism. And don't give me that "we're already socialist" crap...because we're not.

    We don't want limits put upon salaries as a way of life in this nation. We don't want our government to force companies to only produce healthy food. We want our vices if we choose to take them.

    Government can't control society to that extent and I believe American see such a life as hell on earth.

    I stated when I voted for Obama that Americans wanted change. Change like controls on or elimination of corp. lobbyists, pollution, corruption and gov't waste.

    I did not vote for our government attempting to attempting to restrict economic opportunity in any way for the individual.

    The new American Dream..."You can make it big in America!...well, to a point anyway" :rolleyes:
     
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    There are no salary caps, except in companies where as taxpayers we have invested. If those companies turn around, they will be free to reward people as they see fit. The government will no longer be involved. Economic opportunity is just as great now as it always was with the exception of a very small number of jobs in a very small number of companies. It's a temporary measure to protect Americans from companies that have acted in a reckless manner from abusing the bailout money.
     
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    Welcome to the light my friend ;)
     
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    Make sure you understand this PR - if we go to a system where the government is paying for our healthcare then prepare for foods they deem to be bad to be banned or taxed to a ridiculous level. It doesn't even have to be
    "single payer", if the government is paying for the healthcare of a high enough percentage of people they can claim "lowering health care costs" as an excuse to ban or tax anything they want. It a dangerous, slippery slope. And if someone disagrees they can ask how they would have felt about a Salary Cap a few months ago.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    First, remember that obama won't let them return the money right now. Second, it's going to get worse before it gets better when he guarantees the debts of the states - he will then own the states.
     
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    The government can't take our vices...I'll start buying Twinkies on the black market! :D
     
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    And.....

    "We do NOT want to change from a Capitalist nation to a Socialist Nation!"
     
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    #24 Jersey

    The polls are showing it.

    Rasmussen Reports: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere

    Rasmussen's daily tracking poll has those strongly approve minus strongly disapprove of obama at a flat zero today. It was +28 on inauguration day. It's just a one day poll, it moves around a lot, but the trend is clear and obvious. His overall approval of 54% is also an all time low for him.
     
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    Rather than cherry pick polls and use just one daily tracking poll, let's use an aggregate of all major polls. Rasmussen is certainly outlier, but then again so are your views:

    Pollster.com: National Job Approval: Pres. Barack Obama
     
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    Americans don't want salary caps


    Obama And His Gang Don't Care What Americans Want

    Remember, Castro & Chavez Love Obama (does that say anything)
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I'm not cherry picking, it's one pollster with a consistent methodology. Even if he is "off" it's the same guy's poll so it shows a trend.

    Your link's graph has a higher rating but shows Approval slowly drifting down and disapproval picking up significant steam. You have to remember he was just elected as "the savior", a decent Approval is a given as people are still hoping the straw they grasped at really is what they hoped it was. The disapproval moving up shows that, little by little, they're realizing what he is.
     
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    C'mon PR, how are we changing to socialism? That crap was used against Roosevelt. We're in an economic crisis, and we're taking steps to manage it. There are times when a hands off policy is effective and other times when a hands on policy is effective. The ship of capitalism can veer off course and require correction. In the age before government involvement, prior to 1930, there were countless recessions and the effects of poverty and oppression were far more dramatic even though our population was much smaller and market expansion was much more dramatic.
     
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    Yeah, but Americans love the security that comes from feeding at the public trough. One out of every six dollars Americans receive come from the gravy train. Source: Benefit spending soars to new high - USATODAY.com

    There are only two kinds of people: the tax payers and tax eaters. The balance can't be 50/50 and continue indefinitely. We're coming close to that now. What's the percentage of people who don't pay ANY federal income tax? Forty-three percent. Source: The Income Tax System is Broken - CBS News

    The good times aren't going to last forever, folks. Nothing is wrong with old-fashioned economics: spend less than one earns. Something not in evidence with gov't, that's for sure.
     
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    manage it?

    and since the government has been involved, there have been countless recessions, and the effects of poverty and oppression are deeper than ever
     
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    Bingo.

    Another word: Unsustainable.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    ......word;)
     
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    If these caps are only on companies that receive government money/assistance, I have no problem with it so long as it affects a special subset of all jobs or companies.
     

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