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    Things happened here that either hadn?t happened in a long while, or never happened before.

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    Interestingly, the Canadian press has been spinning Canada's performance to say that it did indeed meet the goals of "OTP". Then again, 14 Golds is great. So is 37 medals. Both accomplishments were great. A top showing for North America overall and a not-so-great one for the Russians.
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    Canada is cute.
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    The Norwegians were the most impressive nation at the Winter Olympics. 9 gold, 8 silver and 6 bronze for a total of 23 medals. Not bad for a country of 5 million or so.

    I always thought gold medals were the best illustration of country success, not total medals won.
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    No one has claimed we won the Olympics but only instead pointed out it's unusual success. The Winter games are not to fond of us Yanks. As for the overall medal count, unless there are only three competitors in each event every medal should have some value. Norway was incredible and even Australia took a Gold away from Hana Teeter. Nice job by Tora Bright:singing:
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    Canada is America's hat.
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    I look at it this way: give a point value for each medal; say, 3 points for gold, 2 points for silver, 1 point for bronze. Add them up and you have a team's total performance. By that measure the U.S. "won" the winter Olympics quite handily.

    The Norwegians, by the way, literally live in a winter climate, so winter sports are fundamental to their culture. They SHOULD do quite well. In the U.S., the only time we pay any attention to things like bobsledding and speed skating is during the Olympics, which makes the Americans' performance all the more impressive, IMHO.
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    many more americans live in winter climate than do norwegians.......there are plenty of americans who pay attention to bob-sledding and speed skating
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    Yea but the USA usually sends one of the highest numbers of participants to the Olympics.
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    All this Canuck is concerned with is the gold the mens and womens hockey teams won. The rest ...... blaw ..........
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    And athletically, most of them gravitate toward basketball, football and baseball, etc. In countries like Norway, winter sports are THEIR national sports.


    Really? How many? What are the big American speed skating and bobsledding events outside the Olympic trials and Olympics? Sure haven't seen it on TV.
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    just don't bust my neighbor's chops...the guy that broke your heart in the final...:)

    I am one of those 'cute' Canadians that happens to think Americans are ok.

    Your medal count is an accomplishment that you should be proud of, we did ok too.

    And as far as hockey is concerned, both games could have gone either way. Both programs are developed at the same pace.

    Congratulations to North America, and to Vancouver. It was a great Olympics.

    Cheers...
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    USA wasn't a factor in the Winter Olympics until 2002...normally total in the middle of the pack in medals and usually just in a couple of events(figure skating, skiing, and speed skating). This Olympics and the 1932 Olympics were the only times the USA ever had the most medals in the Winter Olympics.

    One huge thing that the USA has that other countries does not is investment in the infrastructure to support the development of athletes in sports. I can think of only three sports that the USA is far behind the European countries despite all the investment in sports: Ski jumping(only medal came in 1924), biathlon(never won a medal), and cross country skiing(only medal came in 1976).
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    Nobody goes there with the intention of winning anything less than the Gold Medal. As for your Norway comparison, quite frankly that's ridiculous. Yes they live in a cold climate, but so do many other countries. 300 million versus 5 million. You do the match on the talent pool.

    Regarding the international sports domination of American athletes, don't even get me started on the systematic abuse of performance enhancing drugs in your olympic programs historically. Sure "everyone" does it, but it's always the Europeans who are painted as the bad guys.

    Sometimes, you Americans are too blinded by national pride in having to be considered the best or win everything. It's your most endearing and annoying features at the same time.

    As for us Aussies, well we're light weights when it comes to the winter games but punch way above our weight division in the summer games.
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    If that were true then more than five of the top 20 countries would have had medalled let alone sent significant numbers to the games.

    Funny, the 2nd most populated country sent all of THREE ATHLETES to these games. They sent 58 athletes to the last summer games...Norway sent 85.

    Difference between these countries and many of the ones that did not medal: they have built up infrastructure to support the development of athletes. Many countries have to send their athletes to other countries to train, look in at the Lake Placid Olympic Training Center and you see athletes from across Europe and Asia training alongside those from the USA.

    Ever seen the list of those who have been caught using? IT'S OVERWHELMINGLY EUROPEAN!

    But please, don't hurt yourself carrying that grudge around. :rolleyes:

    Your country is ninth all time in medals in the Summer Olympics despite having a four decade head start by most of the countries ahead of your country in that list...your country has sent some of the largest contingents in the world the last four Olympics: your country isn't a light weight.
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    Weird, most athletes seem pretty damned happy with their silver and bronze medals.

    Population isn't everything, but an Olympic structure is definitely important. Consider that the vast majority of American athletic talent and sport infrastructure is geared toward two sports (baseball and football) that have no Olympic presence, I think it's an achievement to be competitive in a high percentage of Olympic sports. I'm sure someone will be along to bash me for promoting anything American in this post-Bush era, but oh well, **** em.

    Anyway, who cares about a pissing match? My favorite parts of the Olympics are watching athletes from poorer countries who barely scratched their way to the games do their best to compete.
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    It's interesting that for some bizarre reason you've locked on to the winter Olympics. We're talking summer and winter games here mate, not winter anymore.

    What part of summer olympics did you not grasp? Australia is an absolute lightweight when it comes to Winter Olympics and fund them accordingly. Summer olympics, well that's a different kettle of fish all together. Don't begin to start me on our funding issues leading into London 2012, as it's been topical discussion amongst Olympic programs here since Beijing.

    As for the drug testing, you would do well to research the cover up jobs your Olympic committee has been doing for quite some time and the lack of transparency in your systems. One of your most famous track and field athletes is one of the greatest drug cheats of all time and that's widely known through track and field circles. It's amazing when a few strings are pulled what can be accomplished.

    There's no grudge on my behalf. I amaze at what athletes do, especially the US ones. I don't condone PED's, I just believe the field of accusations is unfairly directed at other nations and that a deflective "head in the sand" mentality is simply not good enough.

    The rest of your post makes little sense and I have no idea what you are trying to say being blatantly honest.

    Of course an athlete is going to tell you they are happy with silver or bronze, when in reality everyone knows they didn't compete to come second or third. Isn't that what America is based on? Winning at all costs....

    Structures and funding are crucially important, but you also need the talent levels to draw on.

    I am with you in that achieving at Olympic level sports are higher achievements than domestic level sports, the US domestic sports included bar Association Football on a global scale.
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    My post and every point I made was clear as crystal. Sorry if you could not comprehend the point that I made and sorry if it does not fit your claims.

    Don't believe any of the stats I claimed, look them up yourself online.
    table of countries by population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_populous_countries
    Medal table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table
    Caught PED users list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_performance_enhancing_drugs_at_the_Olympic_Games
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    Actually, no. I am going to go out on a limb here and assume you've never lived in the States. America is not based on winning at all costs. It is/was based on working your ass off and doing the best you can, leaving nothing on the table. That's why our press is proud of Ohno's silver and bronze medals. He didn't win gold you say? Well, we know he put all of his effort into it and came out with a damned good result, but most importantly, he didn't leave anything out there on the ice. Contrast that to the Canadian and Russian media I've been reading over the last couple weeks, where non-Gold winners were called "tourists" and otherwise diminished for their efforts.

    Winning at all costs? That's not necessarily an American value, though that value permeates any endeavor in sport, business or politics, to our detriment. Clawing and scratching to do your best is an American value, and I know that the difference between that and winning at all costs is subtle. I'll be the first to admit that we do better as underdogs for this reason. Take our men's hockey team for example. Everyone, including myself, picked a Canada-Russia match for the gold and maybe a Swedish-Finnish-Czech race for the bronze. No one picked our boys, but they fought hard and while the sting of losing the gold medal game sucks, they won that silver when everyone expected them to be packing their bags by Wednesday.

    You imply that we should be ashamed our athletes that don't bring home the gold, but I'll tell you that I'm impressed as hell with our boys and girls who won any medal, especially when no one picked them to do it. I'm just as impressed with the people who had no chance, did their best, and still wound up out of the medals. You also stated that someone who doesn't win gold is likely disappointed, but I would counter by saying that Johnny Spillane would beg to differ. I would bet you good money that he is over the moon with his silver in nordic combined, an event in which the Americans hadn't won a medal in over 80 years. Perhaps other nations will frown on efforts that don't result in the gold medal, but ours isn't one of them.
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    I agree. Also its not like Hockey is a big game here. The fact that we did so well is amazing.
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    What an utterly embarrassing post. Not only does your argument not flow logically, but you're resting laurels on populous nations where the spread of wealth is so utterly staggered to wealthy society, that the large majority of the population are near the poverty line. That's an immediate failed point as America has infrastructure, system establishment and a spread of wealth, especially through your collegiate system which gives athletes a start.

    You've also failed to grasp the concept of your Olympic programs lack of transparency in drug testing and cover ups for people who have tested positive historically by providing me with a wiki page of people who were caught. Notice the problem with this?

    So not only have you shown me nothing, but you've also tried to connect points that don't connect.

    Quite frankly, do some proper research and present it to me accordingly.
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    Absolutely not! I never intimated that and you'd do well to remove such inferences. Getting to the Olympic Games is a major achievement, but as most competitive athletes would know, once you are there, the competitive beast rules and the Gold medal is all that matters. Silver and bronze are niceties and accomplishments in their own rights.

    The athletes are going to be proud of medaling, but once more, ask them if they would prefer to gold or the silver? The answer will be glaringly obvious.

    America is an elitist society, you idolize celebrity and sporting stars and I love it. You treat your "best" with the accolade they deserve. Don't confuse an opinion with the fact that it's well known around the world that the US strives to be the best.. or atleast tell the world you are ;).
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    Well done and well said ... :eat3:
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    The better question is whether an athlete would rather have one gold medal and three finishes out of the medals, or four medals of silver and bronze. I think you'd get a more diffusive response.

    I can agree with this statement, but it is a far cry from "win at all costs" wouldn't you agree?
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    Sorry if actual data does not support any of your original claims. Sorry if your jealousy and inferiority to this country has made you blinded. But you are wrong in all your assumptions.
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    Are you suggesting that American athletes are not subjected to the rigorous Olympic drug testing standards? Where does all this bitterness come from?

    The only person who can claim a Silver and Bronze medals are worthless can only be described as a non athlete themselves who lacks basic understanding.

    Ask the Canadian female figure skater who won a Bronze medal if that piece of hardware is meaningless to a Gold. Why don't the Olympics just hand out one color to show how powerful being number one is.

    I do find it a bit funny how you can claim we love winning at all costs yet then condemn us for appreciating our Silver, Gold and bronze medal winners.

    Your anger is misplaced:mad:
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    I have nothing to be jealous of the United States. You're a great country filled with nice people. I also know how to research a subject properly, unlike you. Your data supports nothing. It supports people who tested positive at the Olympic Games. When you are smart enough to work out why this doesn't go deep enough into the subject, then we can discuss it further once you put your ego aside.

    Nice try with the deflection and personal insult but a fail nonetheless.

    As for you dtwisyPat, you've got your PM. I'm not going to bother with your post publicly given you've misinterpreted everything.
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