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  1. pats1

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    Why is there such a partisan split?

    Give your thoughts...


    Since it appears quoting is hip in this endless babble of insults and story-twisting, how about this:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3980533.stm

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  2. Zuma

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    "I'm a uniter, not a divider. I refuse to play the politics of putting people into groups and pitting one group against another". George W Bush, May 6, 1999

    http://irregulartimes.com/uniterdivides.html

    Throughout his presidential campaign, George W. Bush repeated a single phrase over and over. "I'm a Uniter, not a Divider," he proclaimed. With this phrase Bush tried to convince the American people that he wasn't the kind of extreme politician who pushed for radical, unpopular policies. In anecdote after anecdote, Bush shared stories of reaching across the ideological divide to forge compromises that reflected the will of the majority of Americans. As the election debacle reached its conclusion and Bush began to choose his cabinet, he acknowledged "the American people want a President who seeks the best people from all walks of life."

    This all sounds good. But it's just talk. In his first week as President, has George W. Bush walked the walk? Consider the following:

    George W. Bush's very first official act as President was to block the funding of family planning organizations. Bush's first executive order, issued on the 28th Anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade decision, prohibits the funding of family planning organizations overseas if those organizations use their own privately raised funds to lobby their own governments in favor of less restrictive abortion laws. Although Bush justified his order by saying that "taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions," taxpayer funds were not in fact being used for those purposes, since that's been illegal since 1975. The executive order places a gag on family planning organizations worldwide, keeping them from simply discussing abortion issues if they want badly needed U.S. funds.

    In the United States, almost 80% of Americans support a woman's right to choose to have an abortion even when her life or health is not threatened (source: General Social Survey). Yet Bush's first official act keeps federally-funded family planning organizations from stating their support for such abortion rights.

    Is Bush a Uniter or a Divider?
    George W. Bush's cabinet is dominated by millionaires. Although Bush pledged to build a Cabinet that represented the diversity of American experience, his filthy rich Cabinet does not represent the economic reality of most Americans. The Associated Press has reported that Cabinet members Richard Cheney, Mitch Daniels, Donald Evans, Colin Powell, Anthony Principi, Donald Rumsfeld, Christine Todd Whitman and Paul O'Neill are millionaires many times over. John Ashcroft, Tommy Thompson and Mel Martinez have well over a million dollars in wealth. The poor man of the group, Rod Paige, still holds over half a million dollars in wealth.

    According to economist Edward Wolff, a majority of Americans are worth $11,700 or less. Can they expect Cabinet secretaries with over a hundred times their wealth to understand their daily lives?

    Is Bush a Uniter or a Divider?
    George W. Bush meets confidentially with corporate fatcats. As Associated Press reporter George Edmonson discovered, our new President began his year with a little lunch. Closed to the press and the public, it included a little gabfest with dozens of leaders of corporations like General Electric, Intel, Cisco Systems and Wal-Mart. Bush Spokesman Ari Fleischer explained that "maybe they have some thoughts on their mind that we haven't thought of."

    To date, has Bush held any lunches with labor groups, civil rights organizations, environmentalists, voters who were turned away at the polls, doctors, representatives of the disabled, of students, of teachers, of farmers? No, he hasn't gotten around to asking the opinions of these large groups yet. But he's covered the crucial CEO demographic right off the bat.

    Is Bush a Uniter or a Divider?
    It's your right to decide where you stand on the issues of abortion, poverty and corporate welfare. But regardless of your position on these issues, it should be disturbing to note that Bush is beginning his Presidency by consistently aligning himself with tiny minorities. By working against the wishes of and without regard to the circumstances of a majority of Americans, he brings into question his Inaugural commitment to be "the President of All Americans." Even in his first week, the Uniter Divides.
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    He IS the ultimately DIVIDER.

    He has DIVIDED this country like NO ONE had ever done before.

    He has brought nothing but SHAME and DISGRACE to our country.



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    He united enough votes to win twice.

    Twice.
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    #37 Jersey

    Liberals the real dividers

    The race, class and economic warfare wage by the Democrats, because of the failure to win elections is the great divide. Just look at the liberal posts on the board.
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    Fact Is

    that it's the right-wing that hates America. They want a world that looks a lot like the world in Islamic fundamentalist countries:

    1) Eliminate civil rights and liberties
    2) Destroy the separation of church and state
    3) Tell women to know their place
    4) Harshly punish anyone different that the majority doesn't like harshly, like homesexuals
    5) Praise a return to the "good 'ol days"
    6) Denounce any progressive change

    The American right-wing: Why do they agree with Islamic fundamentalists so much?
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    The polarization is probably just a byproduct of one party rule. The one party is trying very hard to assert itself, and is met by an equally strong opposition. The Republicans feel that they don't have to compromise, but the Democrats are proving otherwise.
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    Put the crack pipe down and take 2 steps backwards.
  9. HoyaPats

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    Ahhhhrrrgggg! He absolutely demolished my argument with this comeback!!!!
  10. Zuma

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    Very witty isn't he...
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    Lol, you're the type that only speaks in soundbytes, huh? Explains your signature. At least advance your point, if you have one.
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    Why is America split? Well, it mirrors the split in the world. One half believes that there is a moral decay caused by lack of religion and moral values. Witness the growth in drug use, violent crime, rudeness, same sex marriages and so on. That half looks back to a time when things were better, crime was lower and so on. People in the 1950s could leave their doors open and you could walk the streets safely at night.
    They see the pervasive influence of "political correctness", increasing gay rights, rehabilitation not punishment and so on. This half believes that you get as far as your talents and work take you and so the poor deserve their lot. Witness Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell as examples that people can make it to the top if they work hard enough. This half also believes that the free market means innovation, talent rising to the top and so on. Bill Gates's Windows runs on 90% of the world's computers, thanks to the power of the free market. Windows is there because people invested in the company, researched and developed the product and marketed it properly. His wealth is testament to his hard work and, anyway, he plans to give 90% of it away.

    What does the other half think? They are scared by religion. They see it as a divider (see the Christian Right, Islamic fundamentalism and so on). They don't believe in God and see religion as social control. They don't see things as having been better in the past; they see a past where poor people starved to death, people were beaten for sitting in the wrong part of the bus and kids born out of wedlock were shut away in asylums.
    They believe that liberalism has improved the lot of many people including gay people and ethnic minorities who no longer have to sit where they are told on the bus. Witness Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell as examples of people helped to the top by subsidised education, liberalised race laws and immigration in the case of General Powell.
    They blame rampant capitalism for society's ills. Does Bill Gates REALLY deserve all that money, when there are people living on food stamps? Is it any wonder that people commit crime when they see no solution legally?
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    Welcome to the planet Earth. It seems as if you're somewhat confused about our society. No problem. Just ignore those silly DU websites and mainstream media. Read some books do some research and above all avoid listening to Howard Dean. He's gone mad.
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    Bill Gates, whom I personally despise, EARNED that money. In the process of earning it, he created a dozen billionaires and thousands of multi-millionaires and employed several hundred thousand families. All of them paid taxes that subsidized children of families where parents were totally irresponsible.
    What a bastid.
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    I don't listen to Howard Dean or any DU websites. I listen to the leaders of the American right-wing, like Pat Robertson and James Dobson. They are insane. They also want to do all the things that I mentioned in my list, just like Islamic Fundamentalists.

    I'm an American, and as far as I'm concerned, these fundamentalists can move out of the country if they don't like our American values like equality, separation of church and state, and liberty. They should move to Iran where their political views are more in line.
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    #37 Jersey

    Last time I checked unlike Howie Dean these guys are not the head of the RNC. So I guess those guys shouldn't be on TV, but it is ok for Michael Moore to make propaganda left wing movies?

    What's your equality, screw the white straight guy as much as possible because of things that happened hundred years ago, or shove in his face the "alternative" lifestyle? Or is your definition of equality, freedom of religion as long as it is not christianity? Be tolerant to everyone except white straight christian suburban men? :cool:
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    What's wrong with Liberty and Justice for ALL? If you hate America so much for it's values and what it stands for...why do you continue to live here?
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    #37 Jersey

    Liberalism is not what America stands for and why do you stay here when it won't change for the worse to suit your petty ideology. Why do you insist on the US being like the EU, there is a reason our ancestors left Europe now you want to set us back 300 years, no thanks!
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    FYI...the majority of our Founding Fathers were Liberal.

    A good read...

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    There is a saying that your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. Is whitey at that point? Is his face really getting shoved into alternative lifestyles? Or is whitey poking his own face in there? Don't you claim to be free and have the right to live your life how you want as long as you don't hurt anyone? Isn't the government there to protect your choice in lifestyle?

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