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Am I the only one really disgusted by Brady Quinn?

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  1. SeanBruschi54

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    I mean he is holding up the signings of several rookies within his range.

    Including our Brandon Meriweather. Agents are going to try and get more money for their picks by saying look at how much Quinn got, because we all know the Browns will eventually fold and give him more than his slotted price.

    Basically sending a mini ripple effect through other teams rookies.
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    Considering the bust rate of 1st round QBs... and quarterbacks out of Notre Dame... and considering the franchise he is now with... I don't blame him for trying to get the most now he can.
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    I dont even think thats the case. I think his agent (condon) has brain washed him into believing he is actually worth this much money no matter if he was taken #1 or #240.
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    yeah, I am upset about brady quinn. He is over-rated and fell to the last of the first round. his little autograph stunt that PFT really got my goat where fans had to pay 75-225 for his autograph.

    Looking at transactions today, Spencer signed with the Cowboys, Ross signed with Giants,

    I feel that he (meriweather) will be signed like most people on the board have said. (one of my posts was a fear of him not signing)


    just my 2 cents.
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    Yeah... Brady Quinn really should compromise himself and settle for less money so that other 1st rounders get signed in time. Because that should be his priority... not his contract and his team, but all the other 1st rounders.... :rolleyes:
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    Yeah, I never understood this, "Sure I was drafted at 22, but I should have been drafted third overall, so I should get third money" bullcrap. SIgn where you are slotted. If you suddenly become a superstar, then work on a raise. Brady did. Delhomme did. But the fact is that he was drafted 22nd, not third.

    The thing is, if he holds out, he is worth less, not more, because if he doesn't get reps to start training camp, he isn't going to get them if he comes in a couple weeks late, and his career is bumped back a year.

    Well, it's the Brown's problem.
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    and he probably won't be that good anyway, so he better get all the money he can get now
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    Yeah that Montana guy was a real bust... and so was that other fella named Theismann... :rolleyes:
    Reports are that he is not asking for unreasonable money up front, but he wants a deal that covers him in years 3-5 if he does indeed become a franchise QB down the road. Ya really can't quite blame him for that.
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    quinn is over-rated. sign the dollars set at pick 22 and prove yourself.
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    It's still not really the way it works. It does make sense. But he has to earn that franchise spot first, and then after the five years he can cash in.
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    Actually, it kind of is the way it works. Every year some first rounders - especially quarterbacks - hold out. Leinart did it too. It's not a big deal.
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    very true good point.
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    Isn't it amazing how easily people are willing to throw away other peoples' money..?

    This is not the NBA. There is no "set" contract slotted into every spot of the first round. I will actually concede the point if he is still holding out by week 3 of the preseason (IIRC, for comparison, Leinart played in game 2 of his first preseason in Foxboro against the Pats).... until then, it's just the same bluster we see and hear every year....
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    I mean where they want a lot more money in their final years, not just simply holding out. Quinn is asking too much. They can ask for a little more. Leinart was more indisputed to be the future of that franchise anyway and he was picked 11 or something.
    It just seems like they are holding out for too much in the later years of the contract. and i guess since i don't like him, i just don't want him getting the money. Especially since poor ole Cleveland is trying to rebuild. They gave up their first round pick next year and now they are suffering for it.
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    Quinn's signing has little to no bearing on Meriweather. Last year's pay scale, and the signing of other non-QB 1st rdrs is enough to figure out fair compensation. If Meriweather doesn't sign, it seems unfair to blame Quinn. That said, Quinn really disgusted me with those queer photos released around draft time (IMO dirty tricks by Miami's FO to sour the angry Dolphin fan base on him, but disgusting nonetheless) and his charging of over $200 an autograph to kids last week. BTW, if my speculation about Miami FO is correct, how awful are they? Combine that with the Culpepper travesty, and it paints a nasty portrait of goody two shoes Mr. Mueller. Of course my speculation is based not on evidence, but on my understanding of how desperate, unscrupulous men in power tend to operate.
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    Quinn is seen as every bit the future of the franchise in Cleveland as Leinart was in AZ. The Browns spent the #33 pick in this year's draft plus their #1 next year (likely a top-10 pick) to get him.
    I think you've just summed up the issue perfectly. People that - for whatever reason - don't like Quinn are rooting against him. Not because of anything particularly egregious that he's actually done...
    I think it's a wee bit early in the process to be lamenting the suffering of the Browns for this selection...
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    As you said, the last quarterback of note out of Notre Dame was Montana.
    Maybe you could count Beuerlein. I don't know why that's worth a :rolleyes:.
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    Does it disgust you when other athletes (either current players or top draft picks) do the exact same thing..? Or is Brady Quinn the only special one to incur your criticism...?
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    im dissappointed with Quinn

    poor kid dropped so far..really wanted to play for Browns

    now guess what..hes complaining about money. he says he was worth a top 10 pick. i guess any player can say that. u werent a top 10 pick..face it. you were 22nd or w.e. so instead of whining about it, be happy your in the NFL and on the team you wanted to play for since you were a little kid
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    That's because ND, for most of the past 25 years, ran an option offense. A guy like Tony Rice was a great college QB but would never be seen as a pro prospect.
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    i feel like he underperformed in college and will in the nfl. Remember Aaron Rogers. I think #24 in the draft. He was the #2 qb in that draft and fell like a rock. Maybe Quinn's too redolent of Rogers. It's just my opinion.

    But I guess you're right QuiGon, he does have leverage to strike a good deal being a top prospect.

    i still pity the Browns
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    The Final Jeopardy Answer Is: He gives Gene Upshaw that just banged the neighbor's cat glow of fulfillment.

    Answer Is: Who is Tom Condon?

    As for the Mall price gouging report...did Quinn sign over his marketing to Condon too? Poor Quinn, Condon is looking to recoup on what he considers to be "his" losses, instead of playing for his client's chance to renegotiate a whopper contract in a couple years.
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    at least Thomas is signed now. The Browns needed that
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    I pity Romeo Crennel. His job is on the line here. If he does what's best for the Browns in the long term, he'll be starting Quinn by the end of October... but that might cost him some wins, and his job, in the short term.
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    I admit my mind is fuzzy on what offense Notre Dame ran and when, I was young then. But were Rick Mirer and Ron Powlus really option quarterbacks? I don't remember them rushing like Scott Frost or Eric Crouch.

    Rice operated at something less than a 2:1 ratio between pass and run yards. So I can understand the argument that he was really a running back. But that's one guy.
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    No, I wouldn't consider those guys option QBs. Hence my statement "most of" instead of "all of" the past quarter century. Perhaps "most of" is an overstatement but, especially during their glory years under Lou Holtz, the option was in favor.

    Fact is that it is silly to call ND QB's over that time period "busts" because, quite honestly, only one of them was all that highly touted (Mirer). It just isn't a QB-producing school (before Weis). And while I'll agree Mirer was a bust, he certainly doesn't fall in quite as poorly as those such as Leaf, Shuler or Akili Smith.
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    Out of curiosity, what are Quinn's contract demands for the last 3 years of his contract? I see people up in arms, but no one has said exactly why.
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    Any millionaire player, and especially an unproven one, who gouges kids for autographs digusts me. Hopefully that clears it up.
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    Powlus I remember being highly touted, Jarious Jackson was considered a solid late round prospect. Besides them, Mirer, and Quinn, there haven't really been that many other quarterbacks in the past two decades. Really, between all four of them, that's something like 15 years of starting experience at a program that was supposed to produce players that could actually do something at a pro level.

    Compare that track record to a similar well-known, northern program, Michigan, over that same period. Harbaugh, Grbac, Collins, Griese, Brady (of course), Navarre... all had varying collegiate and draft "ratings," but most by and large have performed at or beyond expectations at the pro level. You haven't seen that with Notre Dame QBs since... well, Montana and Beuerlein.

    It's not like Ohio State or Nebraska, where its almost a forgone conclusion whatever quarterback they use will do didily squat in the NFL.
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    Powlus was never a highly touted pro QB. He may have been highly touted in the college ranks, but we are talking about pro busts.
    There's no such thing as a "solid late round prospect". He was drafted in the 7th round and I don't even know if he ever played. Tough to call a 7th rounder a "bust".
    Actually, before Weis, they kinda are a lot like those schools in that they just are not seen as a QB-producing school.

    Tell me... just out of curiousity... why do you hate Notre Dame so much..?
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