Am I committing Patriot Blasphemy?!?!

Discussion in ' - Patriots Fan Forum' started by spidey2559, Sep 25, 2006.

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  1. spidey2559

    spidey2559 Rookie

    Dear Patriot Nation,

    As a Patriot fan, I religiously regard the Patriot coaching and management staff as THE BEST in the NFL. But sometimes it takes a convincing loss to a nemesis whose had our number since John Elway was outdueling Tony Eason to realize that all is not rosy in Patriot Land....

    For us Patriot faithful, such thoughts would be blasphemy. But the signs are telling:

    1. The 4-3 defense looks more intimidating than the 3-4.
    Let's face it...our linebackers really didn't put on a good pass rush...Ty Warren alone had a better pash rush by himself. Our linebackers are smart but aging. They make plays because they know how to shed blockers. But if they didn't, they don't have to speed to compensate ala like Denver. Let's take advantage of our youth up front and put some real pressure on QB's...

    2. Eugene Wilson already has declining skills
    His angles to the tackler are getting worse...he's making too many players look good on SportsCenter.

    3. Asante Samuel is a nickel cornerback at best.
    It's flipping a coin seeing him play. Let's flip the coin with him only on 3rd and long...

    4. Charlie Weis "no huddle" spread-offense is better suited for this team.
    Brady can be MUCH more effective with this offense early in the game. Let's get ahead early and then try to work on clock control. I understand BB's love for TE's...but do you really think Ben Watson is going to open up our running game...really?!?

    5. Corey Dillon seems to be aging WAY to quickly.
    He has too much heart not to be in such an important game for us unless he was really hurt. But did anyone actually see the play where he got hurt? Hmm....

    6. Maroney is not a power runner.
    When Corey went down, Belichik placed Maroney in power running plays that Corey would have run. It was a disaster. Especially on that 4th and 1 play where Maroney was looking for daylight instead of 1 yard. That's not Maroney's strength. (Maroney could benefit from the no huddle spread with draw plays and more space to create plays.)

    We get what we spend.....if you don't believe me ask Deion.

    I had to adjust my previous prediction of a 12-4 season to a 10-6 team at best. It seems that the window of our championship run is closing....and much quicker than we might believe...

    Patriot Faithful, forgive me...:snob:

    Oh I forgot to mention....we have to regard Mike Shanahan as much as an elite chess football strategist as Belichik.

    And it is as simple as that.
  2. edgecy

    edgecy Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    omg what sinful thoughts you have!

    I hope there is a confessional booth close to you...
  3. RayClay

    RayClay Hall of Fame Poster

    #75 Jersey

    You're a joke.
  4. I'm Ron Borges?

    I'm Ron Borges? On the Game Day Roster

    Don't ask forgiveness for giving your opinion. Be a man and say what you think for Christ sakes. Shanahan is a better coach. Belichick never had to deal with losing Brady. Shanahan has two Super Bowl titles, rebuilt the Broncos after Elway left and took them to an AFC Championship Game with Jake freaking Plummer and beats Belichick like a drum every time they play. Belichick hasn't proven he can win without Weis, Crennel or Brady. Shanahan is the better coach, no need to apologize for being right.
  5. TomBrady'sGoat

    TomBrady'sGoat 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    A few points:

    The 4-3 looked great because the Jets have no running game. Had they used the 4-3 as the base D for either Denver or Buffalo you'd be saying the 4-3 blows and they should use a 3-4.

    Samuel is a nickleback. He should only be starting due to injuries.

    Dillon is old for a running back so expect diminished skills. That said, I have only been impressed by him this year.

    NFL contracts have these crazy things attached to them called "years." Yes I would happily pay Deion $7M this year because the Pats are desperate at WR. The next 5 years I'd feel like a fool. Thankfully the Patriots front office has this thing called foresight and they actually care about the future.
  6. CheerforTom

    CheerforTom Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Well, if nothing else I officially doubt we go 10-6. We lose to Denver, Indy, Cincy and maybe Chicago/Jacksonville (the Bears are overrated and Jacksonville is iffy, we'll conceivably be at our best and who knows who'll be resting).

    Who else takes us? The Vikings, after the bye week? Anything's still possible, but assuming everyone gets better (and no team has room to improve like we do), I don't see our divisionals taking us.

    It's a possibility that something surprising happens, but my bet's still on 12-4 if we learn from what we've done wrong so far.
  7. TomBrady'sGoat

    TomBrady'sGoat 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    One last point: The difference between Shanahan and Belichick is 2001. The Patriots had no right to win that superbowl yet did anyway.

    Otherwise they've both won 2 with the better team both times. Of course the Broncos had to cheat the cap to win theirs...

    Obviously I can't deny Shanahan owns Belichick head-to-head. Though Belichick owns Dungy and Dungy owns Shanahan, so who knows what that all means.
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  8. skri65

    skri65 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I agree, somewhat. I think a mix of the two woudl work best.

    I thought he played well against Denver. Keep in mind Sanders was in during the Walker play. He didn't look good against the Bills or Jets...but he was fine against Denver (he put a good lick on someone I recall).

    I think everyone has been a bit too hard on Wilson these past 2 years. He was tryign to carry an entire secondary last year. He's had a rough 2 games but he turned it around yesterday. I think he still has time to return to 2004 form. Don't give up on him yet.

    I'm conflicted on Samuel. Sometimes he shows his #1 potential, othertimes he completely messes up. I still think he is underrated on these forums. I think he can be a good #2.

    I agree that the no uddle offense is better suited for the team. I also agree that we need to start spraeding the field early (GET CJ AND DG IN THERE DARN IT!) Caldwell almost had a long one against Denver, if only Brady had put it up just a little more.

    He got hurt last game. It's pretty simple. Everyone gets hurt and it's true he's getting older. But did you not see the first 2 games of the season in which he tore up the field and left no mercy?

  9. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

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  10. PonyExpress

    PonyExpress In the Starting Line-Up

    You're back again? Haven't finished wiping Borges' cream off your face? How many playoff games has Shanahan won since Elway? ONE in SEVEN YEARS. How many playoff games has Parcells won without Belichick? ZERO IN THREE YEARS. How many Playoff games has BB won without Weis and Crennel? ONE in ONE YEAR, not counting BEATING PARCELLS IN '94. In case you forget, BB won coach of the year in the NFL in 1994, without Parcells, Brady, Weis etc., and without personnel control and a scouting department. How many head coaches has Shanahan produced from his system, on the college or pro level? The dubious KUBIAK, who passed on Reggie Bush for Mario Williams? Go back to polishing Don King's knob, like your perverted namesake, trash.
  11. SoonerPatriot

    SoonerPatriot In the Starting Line-Up

    I really don't agree with much of what you said, but it's not blasphemy. We had a poster here last night who claimed BB was perfect, infallible, incapable of ever making a mistake. Obviously that's completely ignorant, but there is a sector of people here who believe that.

    That is their right, just like it is your right as a fan to question decisions, and if you feel necessary, criticize decisions. You may not be right, you may be wrong, but it's part of being a fan.
  12. italia44

    italia44 In the Starting Line-Up

  13. pats1

    pats1 Moderator Supporter

    Oh c'mon now, I never said that.

    I just haven't seen enough to lend any credence to my opinion against BB. It's been that way for years.
  14. desi-patsfan

    desi-patsfan In the Starting Line-Up

    Its interesting. The first two games we had good blocking and the running back was great. The 3rd game we had poor blocking and the running game struggled. So all of a sudden Dillion is washed up and Maroney is a bum? I really didnt expect this much flip floping from pats nation. (call me a homer)
  15. shakadave

    shakadave In the Starting Line-Up

    Thanks for providing so much food for thought here Spidey, including some good points.... I'll take blue....

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  16. kurtinelson

    kurtinelson In the Starting Line-Up

    #37 Jersey

  17. texpat

    texpat Practice Squad Player

    Jimmy Johnson was a great coach, who did he produce as a head coach:

    Dave Wanstead,
    Mike? Shula,
    Norv Turner,
    Dave Campo,
    Butch Davis,

    Let us know in 5 years who BB has produced that is still a head coach.
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