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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Wasn't this a salary cap issue more than an absolute dollar issue? Did Kraft save money that season by not paying Graham, or did they spend to the cap?
Deus, nothing in those news articles suggests that Graham's agent was actually in any serious negotiations with the Patriots, or doing anything more than trying to set the groundwork for the desired Denver contract. Of course he would "have talks" before FA with the one and only team he was allow to talk to. Maybe they made him an offer, maybe not. But if they did, he simply took it and and ran straight to Denver, as everybody said he would from the start.
Actions speak louder than words. The official announcement of Graham's scheduled FA visit to Denver was already in the press 17 minutes into the free agency period. Not that anybody ever tampers in this league:
Graham's plan - Reiss' Pieces
There were in negotiations. He would have stayed had they gotten a contract done. It's pretty cut and dry unless your claim is that Graham's side was bargaining in bad faith.
How do we know there were any serious negotiations? All we have is a simple 3rd-person statement that talks "didn't advance." And if by "bargaining in bad faith" you mean talking with one team for the primary purpose of improving your negotiating position with another, preferred team, of course I think that's likely. It's simply business as usual in the NFL.
Yes, it's possible that money was all that came between the Pats and another round of Graham. But here's what we DO know:
- Months--even years--before free agency, the word on the street was that Graham wanted to hightail it to his hometown of Denver as soon as he hit free agency.
- In the months leading up to free agency, stories started appearing in the press about how unhappy Graham was with his role on the team and how he felt that the Patriots hadn't used him to his potential.
- If there were any contract talks with the Pats they didn't progress far, and were dead weeks before free agency began.
- The instant free agency began Graham was on a plane to Denver, as predicted.
What in that leads you to the conclusion that Graham was ready to re-up if only the Pats had been a little looser with the purse strings?
You are such a contentious d!ck that it's practically indescribable.
OK...drag out this dead horse for whatever jilted lover reason you seem to have been carrying since Graham left.You say this....
That's how free agency often works with the best players.
So Dan Graham is "one of the best!!!" what?...players in the NFL? ludicrous...tight ends???? alright, if so then why would BB do what YOU describe made him contentious?
Why would anyone have expected him not to be unhappy, given how the Patriots had changed his role?
I'm assuming you refer to BB emphasizing Graham's blocking and reducing his offensive touches. I defer to Bill Belichick in these matters. Obviously YOU think Graham is all league, "one of the best!!!!!" as you infer...BB however thought Graham was best suited to primarily block in the Patriots offense, with Watson as the receiving tight end. Perhaps you missed the many drops Graham had in his career here.
The real point here is that Graham was a given to test the free agency market that season, and the media as well as many fans knew this the entire season.
Until one side or the other makes the claim that there was bad faith negotiations, I'll not make that assumption.
Nice strawman...no one is ever going to make THAT argument because the issue is so puny that no one cares.
But if it makes you feel any better, YOU WIN AGAIN!!!
Yes, Deus Irae, the one and only Patriots fan here that HAS NEVER EVER LOST AN ARGUMENT. And if anyone doubts that, just ask him.
You'll note that I posted something pointing to the opposite reality.
Really? First, there were negotiations. As to how far they went, or when they ended, please share any facts you might have about either item.
That's how free agency often works with the best players.
Common sense and news information. There were negotiations that simply didn't work out. Until one side or the other makes the claim that there was bad faith negotiations, I'll not make that assumption.
Why would anyone have expected him not to be unhappy, given how the Patriots had changed his role? That doesn't mean it couldn't have been resolved with him remaining on the team.
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That's how free agency often works with the best players.
He was a blocking TE. He was a great blocker, but you can find blocking only TEs. He sucked as a receiver. How many years did he lead the league for drops by a TE? How come we aren't throwing this guy under the bus like we do all our other former players. He isn't even starting in Denver.
ONE. One year did he lead the league in drops for a TE. I really wish people would get their facts straight before continuing to trash Graham.
As for Graham in Denver, he's started 31 of 31 games since he got there. Not sure where you get your facts. I get them from NFL.com
Daniel Graham
FWIW, here are the receiving stats for Daniel Graham, whose "role was changed" by the Patriots despite him being one of the league's "best players," and who went on to a team that would use him to greater advantage. Since he was never healthy enough to play more than 14 games in a season with the Pats, I'll use receptions per game played as my metric:
2002 NEP 1.25
2003 NEP 2.71
2004 NEP 2.14
2005 NEP 1.45
2006 NEP 1.75
2007 DEN 1.60
2008 DEN 2.00
So Graham's first two years were outliers, one low and one high. Since then he's been roughly a 1.75 catches a game guy, with normal variance, regardless of team. (For perspective, the "great disappointment" Ben Watson has averaged 3 or more catches a game in 2 of his 4 seasons.)
Graham was a great blocker for the Pats but never a major threat as a receiver. Denver gambled that the Pats were under-using him in the passing game, talked about their plans to showcase him as a receiver, paid him accordingly, then discovered that "he is what he is." Midway through his first season in Denver Graham was already grumbling that the Broncos weren't using him right (and bitterly bad-mouthing his old team too just for good measure).
So I'll put aside all of the flashing neon signs saying that Graham really wanted to go to Denver and answer your question at face value. If the Patriots had it to do over again and could have signed Graham simply by besting the huge contract with $15 million in guarantees from the Broncos, would they? I say nope, not even close. Baker, Smith and Watson combined are all making less than Graham, and it's far from clear how to rank those four players.
Pointing to receptions as some proof of talent or utility is misleading, given that he's used on the line for blocking more than anything else. That's his 'issue', as a matter of fact, so holding it against him seems to be less than an honest way to evaluate to my way of thinking. However, I don't much care about the man's receiving. His blocking is what was missed.
patrick said:In the months leading up to free agency, stories started appearing in the press about how unhappy Graham was with his role on the team and how he felt that the Patriots hadn't used him to his potential.
Deus Irae said:Why would anyone have expected him not to be unhappy, given how the Patriots had changed his role? That doesn't mean it couldn't have been resolved with him remaining on the team.
OK. So it sure sounded like you were saying that Graham was rightly unhappy with Pats moving him to a blocking role, and that it could/should have been otherwise if he'd stayed. So I tried to demonstrate that he has never been a significant receiving threat...and you respond with "That's irrelevant! He's just a blocker!"
My head is swimming.
OK. So it sure sounded like you were saying that Graham was rightly unhappy with Pats moving him to a blocking role, and that it could/should have been otherwise if he'd stayed. So I tried to demonstrate that he has never been a significant receiving threat...and you respond with "That's irrelevant! He's just a blocker!"
My head is swimming.
ONE. One year did he lead the league in drops for a TE. I really wish people would get their facts straight before continuing to trash Graham.
As for Graham in Denver, he's started 31 of 31 games since he got there. Not sure where you get your facts. I get them from NFL.com
Daniel Graham