Albert Breer meltdown

[Badger]

Breer (and a large segment of Patsfans.com) are members of the insulated stale intellectual ***********.

The other great product of this movement is, "Manning is the GOAT".
For weeks, this board (and NFL "analysts") have annointed the "pass rush" as the alpha and omega of football success. Many are distraught here because after weeks of ***********; they find another direction.

1. Sorry guys, nickel and dime packages are the wave of the future. The "spread" offense is the wave of the future. As such, Mr Nickle/Dime better be much better than Mr Third/Fourth WR. It's a pass happy, QB driven league.

2. Just a few years ago, the 2nd and 3rd rounds were "Day One" picks. 2nd round talent this year is really mid-late 1st round talent in most years. We have four picks tonight.

3. Has it occurred to anybody that a superior secondary allows for flexibility to do things like...well.... blitz?

4. Today's superior offenses are better than "blitzing" defenses. SB XLII was a flash in the pan. All one has to do is look at the state of the Giants and how Arizona ran rough shod over Pittsburgh's defense.

Funny, doesn't look like we have a superior offense anymore either. Welker will not be a factor in 2010, Moss is another year older and may be in his last season with the Pats, we have no TE and right now our #1 RB is still Fumblin Lawrence Maroney. Where is our high powered offense? I must have also been sleeping when Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl in 2009 with a superior defense and plodding offense and the Jets also went to the AFC Championship game and we got shelled by the Ravens and both of those teams have superior defenses and meddling offenses. The Colts also have 2 of the best pass rushing defensive linemen in football and the Saints have an aggressive attacking ball hawking fast defense to go with their high powered offense. We have no high powered offense anymore and we certainly do not have an aggessive, attacking defense.

 

[spacecrime]

Translation of Breer's meltdown:

"I didn't guess the Pats pick ahead of time in the paper so it was a bad pick..."

Or for this forum: It wasn't a flashy name with lots of hype so it was a bad pick.

Really, it are a couple of basic differences in philosophy that is at work. When a guy is drafting for the best player available, he isn't going to satisfy the draft-for-need guys.

That is what this angst is all about. We had NEEDS and didn't address them.

I'm sure need factors into the equation, but BB (and some other GMs) are drafting for the future, and other GMs (and almost all fans) pick draftees based on need.

Another thing is that there is a general concensus regarding relative value of prospects among most teams and pretty much all the media because they all get player data from Blesto. The Pats have their ouwn scouting system, do not use the system everyone else is using, and so it is naural that their draft board does not line up with everyone else's.

The last thing is the Fantasy Football syndrome, where players are treated as interchangeable widgets. This works okay with things like power tools. A more powerful drill is a more powerful drill. All drills will accept the drill bits you have and will drill holes in the boards you have. It doesn't work as well in other areas. If you need someone to escort your teen-aged daughter across the country, being a good driver and having a drivers license is not enough for most fathers. If you want to grow a tall tree in your northern NH yard, it doesn't matter how musch you liek the looks of palm trees or fast they grow.

The proof of a good off-season (a combination of drafting and FA signing which includes which of your players to keep and which to let go) is in the results. Some would say that the Pats off-season acquisitions are successful under BB because the Pats are cometitive year after year, and have been to the superbowl four times in BB's ten year reign.

Others say that BB has been grossly unsuccessful because BB didn't pick 'their players" which is so stupid it defies description. "BB is dumb because my analysis of players is better than his scout division."

Others think BB is a failure because in his ten years, there were 6 years the Pats did NOT go to the superbowl.

But if you define a successful draft or FA signing as how well does the team perform, one would have to be a total maroon to say that any team has been more successful during BB's time here than BB has been. And that includes the maroon who has in his sig that Matt Millen has done better drafting than BB. Since the Lions were not a successful team in Millen's reign, I fail to understand how Millen was more successful, but I suppose if you define success as, "He picked the same guys I would have picked," than yeah, okay. Sure.

Lots of humor flying around the past 24 hours, very little of it intended. Which makes it even funnier.

 

[upstater1]

stater

Don't hold your breath waiting for some front office to call for your opinion and services. let's review your flaws of logic:

Absent a crystal ball or fortune teller; why is Moss gone? Pronouncements?
Ya might want to review the entire history of players posturing for contracts. Start reviewing the "Wilfork Experience".

You do realize we drafted Tate and Edleman? I hope you are not violating HIPA laws with confidential info on Tate's condition. Have you considered that BB might have more info on this?

BB has stated many times that WR's are the toughest to project. Chad Jackson/ Bethel Johnson? Yup, not shocking that twenty plus teams passed on a meathead WR.

Glad to see the front office has you on speed dial.

Comparing Edelman and Tate to Bryant is just ludicrous.

These are different type of WRs. Slot guys with thin bodies are different than big guys with #1 potential.

And I'm sorry for telling you who I would have picked. Didn't know that was such a sin.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Funny, doesn't look like we have a superior offense anymore either. Welker will not be a factor in 2010, Moss is another year older and may be in his last season with the Pats, we have no TE and right now our #1 RB is still Fumblin Lawrence Maroney. Where is our high powered offense? I must have also been sleeping when Pittsburgh won the Super Bowl in 2009 with a superior defense and plodding offense and the Jets also went to the AFC Championship game and we got shelled by the Ravens and both of those teams have superior defenses and meddling offenses. The Colts also have 2 of the best pass rushing defensive linemen in football and the Saints have an aggressive attacking ball hawking fast defense to go with their high powered offense. We have no high powered offense anymore and we certainly do not have an aggessive, attacking defense.

Oh Brother

Now let's pick through this to find out where you are lacking:

Again, ACL recovery is a two year process. Why is this so hard to comprehend?

A great offense requires talent AND hours of off season work. Something lacking last year. You do realize that we have two second year receivers drafted last year will now have a full offseason of work with a healthier Brady?

The Steelers. They won the AFC North, beat an 8-8 team and a #6 seed with a rookie QB. Did you even bother to watch the Super Bowl? A 9-7 team lit them up for well over 400 yards. Victory was secured with a late drive for a TD.

Jets go to the AFC Championchip and get mauled by an elite offense. How did that aggressive blitzing concept work toward getting to the big show?

Thanks for proving my point.

The Colts have two elite pass rushers. How that work in Miami?

Thanks for proving my point

The Saints had an aggressive secondary with a pick six to seal the win.

So Badger is trying to argue that drafting a CB is bad because New Orleans won the Super Bowl with a ball hawking secondary.

We are without Welker in 2010? How about Edelman? Who was Welker before he got here?

Finally, has it secaped you that Thursday was like.... the first round?

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Glad to see the front office has you on speed dial.

Comparing Edelman and Tate to Bryant is just ludicrous.

These are different type of WRs. Slot guys with thin bodies are different than big guys with #1 potential.

And I'm sorry for telling you who I would have picked. Didn't know that was such a sin.

So why didn't 26 personnel departments see it your way? What makes upstater1 a better judge oftalent than the vast majority of personnel departments.

Don't compare Tate and Edelman to Bryant. All reports are that Brayant is an excessively lazy talent who will require a baby sitter. The guy forgot his cleats to his pro day. Doesn't sound like a BB type to me.

You do realize that Tate was scouted as 1st round talent before his injury. He slid because of injury. Bryant slid because he's lazy.

 

[Mark Morse]

From the very beginning; anyone who thought the Pats were interested in drafting 6'1 Hughes in the first round was kidding themselves.

Hughes has Tom Condon as his agent therefore he was off the Patriots Draft Board. BB will never take another player represented by Condon after he had Ben Watson sit out of training camp over a rookie contract dispute.

 

[upstater1]

So why didn't 26 personnel departments see it your way? What makes upstater1 a better judge oftalent than the vast majority of personnel departments.

Don't compare Tate and Edelman to Bryant. All reports are that Brayant is an excessively lazy talent who will require a baby sitter. The guy forgot his cleats to his pro day. Doesn't sound like a BB type to me.

You do realize that Tate was scouted as 1st round talent before his injury. He slid because of injury. Bryant slid because he's lazy.

Such a strawman argument. What makes me better than 26 personnel departments? Really? That's your question?

Did you see me recommend Bryant over Suh or McClain or Graham? NO!!!!!!!!!

Why did teams pass on him? Because they had better players to choose.

If the Patriots had chosen Derrick Morgan or Earl Thomas over Bryant, I wouldn't complain at all.

There are only a few teams at 20 or higher who needed a WR.

Denver was one of them and they took Thomas, and if the Patriots had taken Thomas, I would have been very happy with the pick.

Yours is just a strawman argument.

As for Bryant and his cleats, don't believe the hype. He brought 13 pairs of cleats with him, and most of them were useful. He didn't have a specific pair of cleats available for the kind of work he was to do on a different surface.

The point I was making about Tate is that he will NEVER be a #1 receiver. I'm talking about athleticism here and size. And I saw plenty of him in college, and I was happy with the pick of Tate, but he's not the answer.

Bryant isn't lazy, by the way. By all accounts he's a very hard worker who puts football first as the #1 thing for him. Bryant was late but that's a bit different than not working hard.

 

[DW Toys]

How is WR less of a priority?

Folks, we keep talking about spread offenses coming to dominate this pansy league.

Moss is gone soon and Holt is old.

That gives us Welker and Edelman with Brandon Tate a 4th WR type. However you cut it, this team needs two WRs for the outside in the near future. We need at least one this year.

I'm pretty sure one will be drafted, and I would not be surprised to see 2 of the 5 picks at WR tonight. We could go into the year with 6 WRs and drop 1 when Welker gets back.

Moss
Holt
Edelman
Tate
ROOKIE
ROOKIE

Cousin, I agree with your analysis. As people torch me for considering trades as a means to make this Team better, last night was a case in point. We could have had Marshall for even less than McCourty but how many people on this forum would swap McCourty for Marshall in a nano second right now? A special teams ace for a proven game breaking WR? IMO BB is better at picking up FAs and Trades than he is a the Draft. It's almost as if he tries to outsmart people on his picks and for the most part his Draft record is mediocre at best.

If Mr. Kraft is having financial issues and a contract like Marshall scares him, well it did not scare the Dolphins who have a fairly good GM.

Yes we had a very glaring need at WR. Still do. I would be shocked if Patten makes it out of camp. Scratch Boldin and Marshall as FO wiffs. O.K. here is a thought. The Chargers lost their second rounder.They actually Draft after our recent pick up third rounder. "What if" , and I am saying what if to all you "The Draft is the savior" homers on this site. Floyd or Jackson could be had for a second rounder and BB has an inkling to pull the trigger? Now all of this Dez Bryant stuff goes away.

McCorty was drafted where he should have been numbers wise at #27. He had #27 value. Was BB going back to the old school "Best Player Available" regardless of your roster? It seems like Ole DW has been torched about my sermon on the Draft will help in three years at 18% success rate. I believe I am correct on this one for our first pick. You can't twist it. McCourty was Drafted and the optimum results will be by 2013, Special Teams and nickle backs non with standing. It's almost as if he went out to replace.....Ellis Hobbs!!!!

So give Ole DW a check on that first rounder as a three year finished project that we hope will work out. Will Dez Bryant have a better career than McCourty before 2013? I'd bet the farm on it.

Maybe it's a crazy thought but I bet the Cowboys would take a third for Williams. They traded for him to be their #1 and he is not that guy. Could he be a good #3 here? Would you throw that 3rd rounder back at Jerry?

Here are the two the IMO BB is bracketing as a WR. Andre Roberts (Citadel and a Service school-go figure) and Scott Long of Louisville (Ironic? Branch). Both are those three cone guys. Long was mediocre in college. Can't see him as an All Pro in the NFL. Robert played weaker competition.

Would I rather have Marshall, Boldin, Holmes, Floyd, Jackson or even Dieon Branch? Yes and I am not a Branch fan.

At 11 P.M. last night we still have 13 holes to fill. When we started we had 13 holes to fill.

That being said, would I offer SF a second rounder for OLB Manny Lawson who is solid, 25 and just coming into his own and with the Brooks and Laboy signing could be available (just IMO)? In a second over anyone we will take in the second round and possibly wait for 2013.

Would I take Haynesworth for our new third and even give AD (it does work and they need an OLB and AD has 3-4 experience). Haynesworth ran a 4.82 in college at 317 lbs!!! He was faster than Seymour. Why couldn't he lose a couple of LBS and be our DE pick to rush the passer?

How many of you are starting to see that trading some of these "valuable" picks will have more immediate results than picks like McCourty?

DW Toys

 

[SVN]

breer is in love with dez bryant thats why he is still pissed
Cornering the market - Extra Points - Boston.com

As I've said a few times now, if McCoutry becomes a Pro Bowler, then the pick's fine. Anything less, and someone like Dez Bryant or Jerry Hughes could wind up making this one look really bad.

Albert Breer (albertbreer) on Twitter

"Dez to wear Pearson/Irvin's 88 in Dallas ... I think he'll prove worthy. Home run of a pick, esp with Miles Austin there as example 4 him."

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Glad to see the front office has you on speed dial.

Comparing Edelman and Tate to Bryant is just ludicrous.

These are different type of WRs. Slot guys with thin bodies are different than big guys with #1 potential.

And I'm sorry for telling you who I would have picked. Didn't know that was such a sin.

Do you need more conclusive proof your thinking is idiotic?

DW TOYS AGREES WITH YOU.

How exactly do you KNOW Tate will NEVER be a #1 receiver. Bryant will be?

Hey Nostradamus, where are you getting your fortune telling?

Seriously, may too many here are getting themselves worked up because our first round selection doesn't correlate with boatloads of idiotic thinking. It's only compounded by the failure to realize last night was the 1sr round only.

 

[Ring 6]

Cousin, I agree with your analysis. As people torch me for considering trades as a means to make this Team better, last night was a case in point. We could have had Marshall for even less than McCourty but how many people on this forum would swap McCourty for Marshall in a nano second right now? A special teams ace for a proven game breaking WR? IMO BB is better at picking up FAs and Trades than he is a the Draft. It's almost as if he tries to outsmart people on his picks and for the most part his Draft record is mediocre at best.

If Mr. Kraft is having financial issues and a contract like Marshall scares him, well it did not scare the Dolphins who have a fairly good GM.

Yes we had a very glaring need at WR. Still do. I would be shocked if Patten makes it out of camp. Scratch Boldin and Marshall as FO wiffs. O.K. here is a thought. The Chargers lost their second rounder.They actually Draft after our recent pick up third rounder. "What if" , and I am saying what if to all you "The Draft is the savior" homers on this site. Floyd or Jackson could be had for a second rounder and BB has an inkling to pull the trigger? Now all of this Dez Bryant stuff goes away.

McCorty was drafted where he should have been numbers wise at #27. He had #27 value. Was BB going back to the old school "Best Player Available" regardless of your roster? It seems like Ole DW has been torched about my sermon on the Draft will help in three years at 18% success rate. I believe I am correct on this one for our first pick. You can't twist it. McCourty was Drafted and the optimum results will be by 2013, Special Teams and nickle backs non with standing. It's almost as if he went out to replace.....Ellis Hobbs!!!!

So give Ole DW a check on that first rounder as a three year finished project that we hope will work out. Will Dez Bryant have a better career than McCourty before 2013? I'd bet the farm on it.

Maybe it's a crazy thought but I bet the Cowboys would take a third for Williams. They traded for him to be their #1 and he is not that guy. Could he be a good #3 here? Would you throw that 3rd rounder back at Jerry?

Here are the two the IMO BB is bracketing as a WR. Andre Roberts (Citadel and a Service school-go figure) and Scott Long of Louisville (Ironic? Branch). Both are those three cone guys. Long was mediocre in college. Can't see him as an All Pro in the NFL. Robert played weaker competition.

Would I rather have Marshall, Boldin, Holmes, Floyd, Jackson or even Dieon Branch? Yes and I am not a Branch fan.

At 11 P.M. last night we still have 13 holes to fill. When we started we had 13 holes to fill.

That being said, would I offer SF a second rounder for OLB Manny Lawson who is solid, 25 and just coming into his own and with the Brooks and Laboy signing could be available (just IMO)? In a second over anyone we will take in the second round and possibly wait for 2013.

Would I take Haynesworth for our new third and even give AD (it does work and they need an OLB and AD has 3-4 experience). Haynesworth ran a 4.82 in college at 317 lbs!!! He was faster than Seymour. Why couldn't he lose a couple of LBS and be our DE pick to rush the passer?

How many of you are starting to see that trading some of these "valuable" picks will have more immediate results than picks like McCourty?

DW Toys

Dude, as long as you pine for every low character athlete out there you will be disappointed while BB is in charge.
You are going to need to reconsider your love affair with Marshall when he gets himself banned from the league.