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Ahmadinejad says Israel will soon disappear

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    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080602124328.f6eyi8y1&show_article=1

    But really, all we need to do is just go talk to him, because he's a reasonable fella...
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    ....slow news day, isn't it?

    In a related story, North Korea continues to be a communist country.

    Really, other than direct negotiations, what do you propose we do about Iran? What are the real options?
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    No, why?


    Okay, wistah, how would you even start to negotiate with someone who believes like Ahmedinjadblad does? I'd start funding the crap out the opposition, but that's liable to make the little muppet even crazier.
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    The obvious move is to act on behalf of Israel against America's own self interest, and nuke attack Iran, causing WWIII and our downfall as the superpower.
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    Sit back and let Israel handle it, Irsael will "Hiroshima Them" into their infernal scummy "paradise".

    The UN is a useless gang of filthy crooked vermin, get them the hell out of the USA, the UN Building would make a great Hotel, for "Americans Only"

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    You've got it backwards.

    Israel has been acting on behalf of US interests each time regarding Nuclear Reactors- - - i.e. Osirek in Iraq and the recent one in Syria. Let's face it, their Air Force is just are better at it.
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    We're certainly interested, as are a number of other prominent nations, but none more so than Israel. They've had multiple extermination attempts against them in their history, so please excuse them if they're fearful of some lunatics obtaining nukes.

    BTW, their airforce learned from ours. ;)
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    Hey, you're preachin' to the choir on that one, RW.
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    Good thing the United States has a president with his head screwed on right. I'm sure Bush will not rush to judgment on this.

    honestly....

    two of the worlds biggest idiots on Earth are holding all the bluff cards here..... I feel safe.
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    My bad shmess. I got the impression that you were saying Israel was doing that more for us, than for themselves. My appologies if I got that wrong.
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    No prob, RW. It's in both countries' interest. Kind of makes one scratch one's head when you hear people complaining about US support for Israel and comparing it to what we give Egypt or Jordan. Well, when those guys can go and knock out Saddam's Nuclear plant in the 1980's and Syria's just recently, then maybe they too will get commensurate aid from the U.S.
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    There is no self interest in attacking Iran, for America. If we do, it is only on behalf of our 'good friend Israel' who has been caught going against American interests in the past.

    The democracy excuse is BS. Iran used to be a democracy and we toppled it. There is no rational reason why we give Israel the most aid of any nation on the planet, aside from the fact that America no longer controls its own foreign policy.
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    Example #1 of what I was talking about in post #12.

    Look up Osirak Nuclear on Google and ask yourself what would have been different in 1990-1992 (or beyond) if not for the Israeli Airforce.
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    Then that's not a real option, is it?

    How about we go back to being a country that can use it's considerable economic power and diplomatic cache (which will have to be completely rebuilt from the rubble it's in now, I understand), and call for a meeting, stop acting like spoiled rotten schoolgirls in the playground, and be grownups about this? This "I'm not talking to her, she said some mean things about my friend" garbage is not for the world's greatest power of all time - it's for pre-pubescent children. We've seen the effects of threats and isolation...nothing changes or things get worse. Find out what this guy wants, and when he say's "the destruction of Israel" we tell him to STFU and pick another subject.
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    I'm with you on that until the last sentence. Saying "STFU and pick another subject"????? When the leader of a nation says they want to perpetrate another Holocaust you really meant to merely tell him to stop and take up another subject? Wow.

    The first part - AMEN. We need to to rebuild our economic global marketshare and destroy the importance of the one and only thing that keeps Iran, Saudi (and Al Qaeda) from being just another Haiti - - OIL.

    If oil was eventually non-relevant, it wouldn't matter what we told them - - they would have no capability to hurt a fly. If not for hitting the lottery and having oil they would be just like Haiti or Myanmar.

    We should be cutting them off at the knees with technology and economically stimulating (read: job creating!) scientific development of alternative energy.

    Let's compare:

    Scene 1:

    Spend trillions of dollars on a war
    Enmity of almost every other country
    4,000 of our best and bravest killed
    Iran and Saudi's (an AQ) rake in the dough and expand their economic power
    US dollar injured and global marketshare and power diminished


    Scene 2:

    Keep our troops to fight the real AQ in Afghanistan
    Gradually bring them home from the mistake in Iraq
    Spend hundreds of billions on alternative energy
    -which creates millions of American jobs
    strengthens US economy
    cuts Iran, Saudi (AQ) off at the knees (oil= irrelevance) and turns them into Haiti/Bangladesh
    THEN we can tell them to STFU (our problem so far, is that we have been telling them to STFU in Scene 1 - - where we don't have the checkmate to do it.)
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    Oil will never be irrelevent. Even if you came up with some hydrogen based fuel cell vehicle next week, the rest of the world would still be using oil for decades and centuries to come. The only thing an alternative fuel source would do, is get us off of oil, and able to flash everyone who sells it to us, the finger. The idea of sitting down, president to president, with someone like Ahmenijad, is retarded. You always hold talks at some level, but to give instant credibility to a whacko is bad policy. Remember, you're not dealing with sane, civilized people when mentioning these folks. You're dealing with ego driven lunatics who can't be leveled with.
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    God, he sounds almost like Reagan with all that evil empire talk. Fortunately, Reagan sat down with Gorbachev and realized the two could work together. Let's hope the same happens with Bush and Ahmadinejad. They might not become fast friends, but talking one to one might ease tensions.

    At any rate, it's interesting that Ahmadinejad is baiting Bush and Israel. Clearly our presence in Iraq has emboldened Iran, perhaps because we took out their single biggest enemy. (They owe Bush and all Republicans a big thanks, IMHO.)
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    Bush? Who's he?

    Lame duck...irrelevant.
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    You won't be saying that if suddenly CNN breaks into their regularly scheduled Obama ball wash to announce that 75 cruise missles just wrecked various nuke sites in Iran.
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    In that case, he's be an insane duck, rather than a lame one. Russia and many other countries would not sit idly by the US made a play for all the ME oil.
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    Wait a second. You're mentioning Ahmedinejad in the same type of situation as the architect of Glasnost and Perestroika????

    Are you sh!tting me?

    Look, I'm definitely in the camp that it is cheaper and wiser to at least have face to face meetings - - really, what could it hurt? But, people, please be careful out there with the analogies!

    Ahmedinejad is analogous to Khadafy, who never met with a U.S. President but who was managed with. But Gorbachev?????
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    I agree with you here. Gorby and Ahmendinejad aren't one size fits all. Talking is great. It's the levels at which you do it that's important.
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    That's what I've been saying this whole time. It's what I said in the last thread, and the one before that. You save the face to face with the POTUS stuff for the big time, but you send in seasoned diplomats to chat with the Crazy Muppet.
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    Reagan sat down with Gorby AFTTER he deployed the tatical nukes in Europe and proposed Staw Wars....
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    FALSE ALARM EVERYONE!!!!!

    He meant that he would make Israel disappear in his upcoming CBS special:

    "Ahmedinejad: Illusions and Street Magic"

    CBS has announced the conclusion of its 4 part series on world leaders, and their persuit of stage and street magic titled "Magic Politicians". Following its popular format that brought Vladamir Putin to the zenith of Presidental mystics, earning him a bi-weekly show at the Mirage in Las Vegas, Magic Politicians concludes with its greatest illusionist to date, Amedinejad.

    Rumors have been swirling out of the Amedinejad camp stating that he will best David Copperfield's Statue of Liberty by making the entire country of Israel 'vanish to never-never land'. Then make it reappear, and saw it in half.

    Tuesday June 10th CBS 10e/9c
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    See, now that's one of the reasons I likes ya so much! :D
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    one thing that always strikes me as curious:

    no one ever questions the accuracy of Farsi translation i guess...

    I, for one, don't trust it...

    here's a few western news agencies who can't even get the Farsi translation of a Tehran news source correct:

    Reuters says the radical Iranian leader spoke at a ceremony marking the 19th anniversary of Ayatollah Khomeini's death.

    "You should know that the criminal and terrorist Zionist regime which has 60 years of plundering, aggression and crimes in its file has reached the end of its work and will soon disappear off the geographical scene," he said, according Reuters.

    AFP has a slightly different translation of that passage.

    "I must announce that the Zionist regime (Israel), with a 60-year record of genocide, plunder, invasion and betrayal is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene," Ahmadinejad said, according to that wire service.​

    Regardless, this man does not speak for Iran, overall... Until the Mullahs publicly say this kind of sentiment, he's nothing more than a crazy person squawking at the microphone.
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    I feel ya on this one....

    even the now infamous quote about "wiping Israel off the face of the Earth...." was the translation of a quote from another guy. So thats translated heresay? Not acceptable.


    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm


    01/18/07 "Information Clearing House" -- -- Across the world, a dangerous rumor has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran's President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, "Israel must be wiped off the map". Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as this article will prove.

    BACKGROUND:

    On Tuesday, October 25th, 2005 at the Ministry of Interior conference hall in Tehran, newly elected Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad delivered a speech at a program, reportedly attended by thousands, titled "The World Without Zionism". Large posters surrounding him displayed this title prominently in English, obviously for the benefit of the international press. Below the poster's title was a slick graphic depicting an hour glass containing planet Earth at its top. Two small round orbs representing the United States and Israel are shown falling through the hour glass' narrow neck and crashing to the bottom.

    Before we get to the infamous remark, it's important to note that the "quote" in question was itself a quote— they are the words of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Islamic Revolution. Although he quoted Khomeini to affirm his own position on Zionism, the actual words belong to Khomeini and not Ahmadinejad. Thus, Ahmadinejad has essentially been credited (or blamed) for a quote that is not only unoriginal, but represents a viewpoint already in place well before he ever took office.

    THE ACTUAL QUOTE:

    So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in farsi: "Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

    That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "Regime", pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).

    So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh", is not contained anywhere in his original farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's President threatened to "wipe Israel off the map", despite never having uttered the words "map", "wipe out" or even "Israel".

    THE PROOF:

    The full quote translated directly to English:

    "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

    Word by word translation:

    Imam (Khomeini) ghoft (said) een (this) rezhim-e (regime) ishghalgar-e (occupying) qods (Jerusalem) bayad (must) az safheh-ye ruzgar (from page of time) mahv shavad (vanish from).

    Here is the full transcript of the speech in farsi, archived on Ahmadinejad's web site
    www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm
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    Meanwhile, here's Boy King saying just last year that we can talk with Iran.. Suddenly, now that it's an election season, anyone willing to talk with them are somehow "nazi appeasers"...

    We can have meetings. Talking is not the problem. We can talk to Iran. But Iran wants nuclear weapons and I’m not going to let that happen. Not on my watch. We tried to have dialogue with Syria, right after the war, didn’t get much.

    Every time you lift and turnover a Con man rock, you get bugs crawling around, scampering to get out of the light...

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