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After 2 poor preseason games has your outlook on the 2008 Patriots changed?

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Has the past 2 games changed your outlook on this years team?

  1. Yes,Those 2 games have me more worried than ever and I don't know if they will be as good

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  2. No - The preseason is worthless indication of what will transpire -We are #1 still no worry

    61 vote(s)
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  3. I have mixed emotions and some concerns over certain areas that could kill this team

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  4. I am about right down the middle on this between worried and not worried - No comment

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    I look at preseason as just a dumping ground for guys that do not belong in professional ball and those losses to me are not a big deal nor are they going to affect the season unless Bradys foot is a problem,Then the team is simply screwed.

    As for the poll - IYO do you think the future in 2008 has changed for what you have seen so far or are you taking the poor play in these 2 games as very worthless indication of what the team will look like in 3 weeks.
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    Yes, my outlook has changed. I now think that the Patriots are in contention for worst fan base in the NFL.
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    No it hasn't changed. They are still a 12-13 win team in my book. As long as Brady and Belichick are there they will be ok.

    Patriots are similar to the Colts in preseason. You watch the Colts and they look like complete dog doodie in the preseason and then they go on to win 12, 13 plus games easily.

    I'd only worry if Cassel is still on the roster come week one, lol.
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    Who would you consider our rivals? I thought we had that locked up.
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    You know Deus while I see what you say and want all rah-rahs and no negativity,you also can't be a blind homer and think THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with this team from anything seen so far - even if it was preseason.

    To think this team is 100% perfect will put you in a pathetic homer catagory which is worse than anyone who sees something wrong and wonders if it can be fixed.

    Expect people not to toally drink the kool-aid - Theres nothing wrong discussing weaknesses that appear to be possible trouble like the corner position and backup QB for instance.

    Ellis Hobbs is not going to change into Champ Bailey overnight and Cassel is not exactly Steve Young as a backup QB so why not discuss possible problems? - Its what discussion is for in this forum - If we were all rah-rah kool-aid people who say the team is perfect,this forum would be boring and suck
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    Well, the Jets have the stupidest fan base, and I've always given them "worst" as well, just by default. This year, though, the Patriots fan base are kicking ass in the race to the absolute bottom of the barrel.
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    Why is that Deus,Because some here actually think Cassel blows donkey dick? - Well he does
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    Realizing that this is just week 2 of the exhibition season is not the same as thinking the team is 100% perfect. Not realizing it, however, seems to be the same as acting like a complete idiot, as evidenced by many of the posts we've seen here recently. Perhaps hearkening all the way back to last season's 0-2 start in the preseason is just too much for some people.

    Kindly name one weakness you can definitively say you've seen at the cornerback position. Tell me the coverages involved, the actual failure of the player and how the weakness you saw was

    a) a weakness of personnel and not scheme
    b) something that can't be fixed with practice
    c) something that can't be compensated for by the coaches

    Ellis Hobbs was the team's best defensive back last season, when the team went 18-0 prior to the Super Bowl loss. He is the only defensive back on the entire team for whom there should be no questions other than health. Tossing out the Champ Bailey reference is just silly, since Bailey is generally considered to be the best corner in the league, and Samuel was no Champ Bailey either. For that matter, neither was Ty Law and neither was Tyrone Poole. Somehow the team got to the Super Bowl with such CBs.
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    Thanks for illustrating my point.
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    My overall outlook as not changed as I know our Pats will in the end will overcome the odds. Its just a matter of learning of what to do better, adjustments of strategies, changes of people who might do things better, and most importantly.... CONFIDENCE in the ability to win!
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    I remember a couple of years ago when the Pats played the Bengals in preseason it was like basketball on grass. Bengals went up and down the field on the Pats D. BB was so pissed he played the starters the whole game. Pats played them in the regular season and beat them pretty good.
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    I saw alot of wide open Bucs receivers many of whom are not exactly HOF material but it was preseason and I guess you could say give it a pass but the corners were beaten last night and badly and not all the guys who got burnt were 3rd or 4th stringers -

    Can it be fixed? - not just by the coaches but more by the talent of the players they are coaching to get it right

    You can be the best coach in the world but that does not necessarily lead to a great player - either they have IT or they don't,you just hope the coaching works to the strength of the player.

    And you really have to let the past go in terms of how good a player is or was - If you go by that theory then every player who has a good year will have a good year every year in thier career - does not happen and many do struggle in and out year after year from good to mediocre.

    I am not spoiled to the fact that this team has won 3 super bowls and I realize that we are fortunate than most fans to have the success this decade, but the team has not won one in 3 years so you can expect some differences in opinions on the direction of the team and where its going.
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    My problem this year is that I am still reeling from the events on Feb. 4... having a difficult time regaining focus and this season as well.. in a couple of weeks I anticipate it will change.. but did not even have the energy to get up to training camp.
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    OK, look: the team has not performed well so far in the preseason in terms of both effort and execution. I see that alone as cause for mild concern, especially in areas that we know are unsettled (cornerback, offensive line). HOWEVER, I will not be SERIOUSLY concerned until this manifests in the first game vs. Kansas City or some of the key walking wounded (Light, Neal, Hochstein, Rodney, Meriweather, etc.) do not return to the opening-day active roster. A solid first half against the Eagles and all this hand-wringing goes away. The Giants game will show us nothing. The PUP list/injury report means much, much more than preseason performance -- that's where my attention will be.
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    In other words, you can't come up with a single instance that you can actually break down as I asked, and are just insistent on being a part of the fellowship of the miserable.
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    gee... i wonder which option is gonna dominate this poll? lol
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    oww, i would really have to look hard to find a more stupid question


    (no offense to the OP, i understand where the question is coming from....but the above statement applies none the less)
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    There was one thing and now there are two things that concern me about this team:

    1. Health of Matt Light
    2. Health of Brandon Meriweather

    That's it. Nothing else is or should be of concern.
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    As an outsider. Tom Brady didn't play. The importance of a win or loss in this game is null and void.

    Pre-season is about a bunch of Pros getting their legs under them and getting into game speed while attempting to stay healthy and a bunch of other guys trying to make a pro roster and playing their guts out. Mental mistakes happen in the pre-season, and the attention to detail is missed. The Film sessions arent the same as they are in the regular season. The Focus isn't there. That makes all the difference.
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    2007 Preseason

    Week 1 @ Buccaneers 13-10 L
    Week 2 Titans 27-24 L

    2008 Preseason

    Week 1 Ravens 16-15 L
    Week 2 @ Buccaneers 27-10 L


    Yup time to panic...
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    Okay ... who are the 2 who voted for #1 ... you are :eek: :eek: :banned:
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    My view of the preseason is not particularly complicated.

    Just comparing last year's roster over this year's, my expectation is that we don't have quite as much talent -- we've lost a bit. What I've seen in preseason so far, for what it's worth, does not make me feel better. I recognize that we've seen very little, though.

    I also was a bit concerned about the lines of scrimmage, which we did not seem to control even with our first team defense.

    The games don't count yet, so it's hard to say what's what. But, that said, I would be feeling pretty good right now if I were a Bucs fan. They showed something. And even though it's preseason, I can hardly say that's a crazy outlook -- and once I say that I kind of need to recognize that it obviously seems we have some serious work to do before we're ready for primetime.

    If that makes me a chicken little, so be it. I've never really been a chicken little before, but whatever. I find the constant shouting down of anyone who remotely has anything to say that might be a concern is as bad as the sky is falling stuff.
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    no, i and i am not trying to be mean but it is foolish to think a team with a lot of talent will struggle because they have not looked good in two preseason games.
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    I would rather they start slow and peak at the end rather than the 3/4 pole, but there isn't much to be enthused about. Gostkowski, if he's confident.

    That D will be great, I imagine the vets were just trying to avoid injuries. Again, no reason to leave it in the post season and Seymour's back. Merriweather? = difference between up and coming and scrambling.

    Are we hurting if Brady's down? I'd say that question has been answered more clearly. If it cause a vet or another QB to go to #2 that's something Brady needed.

    Receivers are fine, so it doesn't matter, but it would be nice if Jackson looked better with the Welker routes and punt returns or the team gives him more long routes and kickoff returns he and his body type are better at (he's not a small quick receiver, he's a big guy who needs some room).

    RBs look fine, but they haven't found a workable combo since Dillon Maroney. Health and reps there.

    Oline depends on injuries. If they're getting guys back, they could end up stronger, but it's scary. Game by game.
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    Just posting the final scores does not do the games justice. In the Tennesse game, both teams competed very very hard for the first half. And the Patriots absolutely put it on them defensively. They were in the backfield all over Vince Young, getting a bunch of sacks and rushing him all half long. I think he barely completed any passes. They blew the Titans off the line of scrimmage too, stuffing pretty much every run. I'd guess about 80 percent of the Titans runs in the first half were no gain or for a loss.

    In Tennessee's first 8 possessions, they gave the ball back all 8 times -- six on punts, once on downs, and once by fumble. Brady kept throwing interceptions, but it didn't matter, because the defense kept stuffing Tennesse. The Titans only score of the first half was an interception return for TD. With a few minutes left in the second half, leading 17-7 and having absolutely owned the defensive side of the ball, the Patriots shut it down and Tennessee went on to win against the second stringers.

    Other than the final score, there is no comparison whatsoever to this year's Bucs game -- and in fact the final scores are still pretty different. In fact, the only things that are the same are the result.
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    Its preseason!!!! It means nothing. Teams such as the Patriots work on certain plays and scheme's. BB is not going to show everyone the true team util official kickoff come September. Also, the Bucs started Griese and McCown whom both have NFL experience. I would not consider them as backups. We had Cassell and O'Connell whom neither started a game. Make your conclusion.
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    Like I said time to panic... :rolleyes:
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    I didn't say it was time to panic. But I don't see the comparison at all between last year's preseason and this year's.

    There are many arguments that can be made for why this year's dismall preseason showing doesn't matter. I'm happy to talk about them. Comparing this year's second preseason game was last year's, though, is just not one of them, which is my only point.
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