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  1. DarrylS

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    Never believed that McVeigh and Nichols pulled off the bombing of the Murrah Bldg. by themselves. Neither seemed that smart, and needed some cash to bankroll their operation. Now Nichols is coming forth, wonder if there will ever be an objective investigation of this event.. the whole matter was too convenient for my blood and everything just fell into place.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_5271117

    Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols says a high-ranking FBI official "apparently" was directing Timothy McVeigh in the plot to blow up a government building and might have changed the original target of the attack, according to a new affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Utah.
    The official and other conspirators are being protected by the federal government "in a cover-up to escape its responsibility for the loss of life in Oklahoma," Nichols claims in a Feb. 9 affidavit.
    Documents that supposedly help back up his allegations have been sealed to protect information in them, such as Social Security numbers and dates of birth.
    The U.S. Attorney's Office in Utah had no comment on the allegations. The FBI and Justice Department in Washington, D.C., also declined comment.
    Nichols does not say what motive the government would have to be involved in the bombing.
    The affidavit was filed in a lawsuit brought by Salt Lake City attorney Jesse Trentadue, who believes his brother's death in a federal prison was linked to the Oklahoma City bombing. The suit, which seeks documents from the FBI under the federal Freedom of Information Act, alleges that authorities mistook Kenneth Trentadue for a bombing conspirator and that guards killed him in an interrogation that got out of hand.
    Trentadue's death a few months after the April 19, 1995, bombing
    was ruled a suicide after several investigations. The government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing in the death
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    The official story on Timothy McVeigh is that he was discharged from the US Army in 1992, then his whereabouts were "unknown" for a while.

    New video evidence shows McVeigh receiving demolitions training in an Army base in August 1993. This training does not show up in any official records.

    Seperate video evidence shows a yellow Ryder truck at an Army base one month before the bombing took place.

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/181206mcveighvideo.htm
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    A Ryder truck. They're pretty rare. ;)

    This stuff proves it all. Bush was behind it. And Cheney was telling what to do.

    :woohoo:


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    Well Fogbuster, why doesn't someone explain what McVey was doing at an army base recieving demolition instructions well after he was discharged. I'd be interested in knowing why, wouldn't you?
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    Lots of former military people get civilian private contractor jobs with the military after their active duty. It's a good way to stay into something they had worked on during their military years. There are literally tens of thousands -- if not more -- private contractors who work with the military in all kinds of capacities, from computer services to fire-fighting to specialized aviation and other highly technical fields.

    As I recall, McVey used the very unsophisticated bomb material of a ton of kerosene-soaked ammonium fertilizer loaded on the back of a pick-up truck -- something that is far more likely to be found on some terrorist website than at a U.S. military training facility.

    McVey was obviously not a commandable person, someone who willingly followed the program of his higher chain of command. He was a loner, and somebody with serious anti-social and anti-authority personality problems.

    What would be the purpose of the federal government planning and executing an attack against itself, the country's federal system??!!

    If this isn't the height of paranoid conspiracy theory, I don't know what is.


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    Fog, not to sound like a crazy person, but look up Operation Northwoods sometime. It is an official pentagon-approved plan to attack our own warships in order to create a reason to invade Cuba.

    -- Maverick
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    This was just the practice for the U.S. Government setting up the 9/11 attacks. Next they're gonna nuke us :rolleyes: :bricks:
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

    Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a 1962 plan to generate U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro, as part of the U.S. government's Operation Mongoose anti-Castro initiative. The plan, which was not implemented, called for various false flag actions, including simulated or real state-sponsored acts of terrorism (such as hijacked planes) on U.S. and Cuban soil. The plan was proposed by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders, including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Lyman Louis Lemnitzer.

    The main proposal was presented in a document entitled "Justification for US Military Intervention in Cuba (TS)," a collection of draft memoranda written by the Department of Defense (DoD) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS) representative to the Caribbean Survey Group.[1] (The parenthetical "TS" in the title of the document is an initialism for "Top Secret.") The document was presented by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara on March 13 with one paragraph approved, as a preliminary submission for planning purposes.
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    I'm sure if we listed all the nutty, lame-brained, and even blatantly dopey ideas that government-paid workers have dreamed up on all that government time and dime, we probably all become libertarians over night.


    :D



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    Actually, I am libertarian, but I don't think you can write this off by calling these ideas nutty. That plan to attack our own military was actually presented by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, not just a crazy plan that never went anywhere.
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    Well, then there was a deep fear and concern among *some* people in the 1960s regarding the expansion of the Soviet sphere of influence into the Americas. Castro's Cuba was the first tangible threat, as it became a vassal state of the Soviets at that time.

    At the same time as this was happening, there were also a fair number of people in influential places in America -- academia, the media, and even organized religion -- who were either very naive about Soviet intentions or even actively supporting those intentions.

    This was the era of "Dr. Strangelove", a movie that said how crazy it was to make nuclear bombs to fight the prospect of a Third World War. Of course, as the Soviets themselves said after the collapse of the SU, they actually *WERE* using their "peace offensive" to disarm the U.S. and then use nuclear black-mail to force their designs on America.

    So, in that sense, it is entirely understandable that there would be tentative plans to do something to wake up the American public from the naive ignorance many were under at that time.



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    The intent was not to draw lines between the military and the Murrah incident, only to point out that there may be more to the story. I have always thought that it was too easy to just solve this case the way it played out. He may have been a loner, but there may be others involved.. perhaps it could have been paramilitary groups, another government.. to let it descend into something that the US is complicit to at this time, is not the intent.
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    Sorry for the delayed posting, as I've been busy moving. I've been wanting to respond to this reply as it almost sounds like your ok with this plan. Just to clear things up for me, this is a total disaster of a policy, correct?
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    Pleassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeee

    So the Reno led FBI helped plan the destruction of a federal building, which included a day care facility. To gain support for the growing movement against Reno's actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco???

    How?

    Why???

    Makes no sense.

    Whenever you forward these ridiculous theories the one thing that everyone fails to keep in mind is that it is impossible to keep a secret in the US government. There are just too many employees, with to many different agendas, that any of these conspricay theories just don't hold water.

    Reno was an absolute schill for the Clintons, however THERE IS NO WAY THAT SHE WOULD EVER, EVER DO ANYTHING LIKE THIS!!!!!! Ands what FBI agents would just go along and say nothing?
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    McVeigh studying demolition at an Army Base, Muslims learning how fly planes but not land them, Blind Muslm bombing the World Trade Center in 1993, this kind of sh!t was going on all through the nineties, McVeigh was probably laughing his a$s off, the Government was teaching him how to blow up a building, the Muslims were laughing their as$es off, they were learning how to fly but not land in America, the country they were going to attack.

    While all this was going on The President Of The United was chasing Barbara Streisand around the White House Piano bare a$s and Playing with himself under the Oval Office Desk at 2:00AM while having "phone sex" with the little girl that emptied his waste basket, he also had some of his people "kill a cat".
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    I think Cheney is planning on destroying the sun.

    Oh wait, that was Mr.Burns.............
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    Mr. Burns IS Cheney!
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    Now you've got me singing that "see my vest, see my vest" from the time he tried to make clothes out of puppies. (Mr. Burns, not Cheney that is).
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    After such a well thought out, thought provoking and intelligent post by Harry Boy there are more documents released on this case..

    More documents have been released that may indicate that more people are involved in this bombing..

    OKBOMB and The Order: New Documents Don't Add Up | INTELWIRE Terrorism Blog | J.M. Berger | Investigative reporting on terrorism, research, Freedom of Information Act, War on Terror, television production, Mohammed Jamal Khalifa, Ali Mohamed, Al Qaed

    Here are the copies of the information released...

    The link to the CIA...

    http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/1997-01-24-CIA-confidential-sources.pdf

    The link to the other files released by his Brother..

    http://intelfiles.egoplex.com/2009-03-16-trentadue-document-release.pdf

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