Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by CoachK, Mar 8, 2010.
Let's hit on one of them like last year !!
He did say that one of them could be a 6th.:rocker:
6 7th round picks!! The Pats are gonna OWN the 7th round!!!!
I guess there is always a chance that they could hit on a flyer or two. If this is the deepest draft since 1983, having a bunch of picks at the end will put the Pats ahead of the game in UDFA market.
I'd like to get 4 players with our top 4 picks. Then, draft the boom/bust type. Who cares it 5 can't find Rhode Island on the map and make it to training camp, as long as 1-2 turn out to be players.
how about 4 punters to compete for a roster spot
On a more serious note, there are some awesome looking sleepers in this year's draft. We could potentially get some real players later on. Pretty exciting.
Too bad you can't trade them.
6 7th rounders, wow. They can draft the small school unknown kids, trouble makers who fell, kids who broke their legs their final year.
If you roll the dice 6 times you'll most likely hit once.
Thanks for the link, CoachK.
It would help a lot if one of those 7ths becomes a 6th.
I do expect the Pats to try and deal their own and the Philly pick in hopes of moving up in this round or 2011.
The Pats do have several spots that could be attacked with late round picks...3rd/developmental QB, 3rd/developmental TE, punter, 5th/6th WR, latest entry into Dante's prep school, conversion projects/redshirts. How about this:
QB Tim Hiller
TE Nate Bynum
P Matt Dodge
WR Seyi Ajirotutu
OL Joe Hawley
LB O'Brien Schofield
Change the names to your favorites, but that is a reasonable haul that could be sitting there in the 7th round.
My 7th round wish list...
QB - Sean Canfield
WR - David Gettis
OT - Chris Scott
TE - Nate Bynum
P - Matt Dodge
Very Nice, I think Schoefield would be an excellent guy to take a chance. I really like Bynum.
Do you mean Nate Byham from Pitt, or someone else named Bynum from another school?
I like Gettis but I think he's rated as a mid 4th at the moment.
Both of these guys had good workouts so they may have moved up as well, but...
Arthur Moats, LB, James Madison
A.J. Jefferson, CB, Fresno State
are 2 guys I'm targeting in the late rounds.
FWIW, here are all the players the Pats have drafted in the 7th since 2004, categorized by the reason they were still available so late. The names in red were major-conference players experienced at their positions but lacking in physical attributes and skills. The names in blue were shoot-the-moon prospects with great athletic potential but no high level experience at their prospective positions.
From that small sample, the "blue" approach looks pretty darned good.
Hmmm. Interesting. Morton should be a third color though, since he had the skills (I think he's still in the league). He was a 7th rounder due to character question marks.
Belichick has done very, very well with these picks.
Cassell, Andrews and Edelman were solid contributers for us. Morton is a perennial backup and still in the league. That's a 50% hit rate, without counting on Richard for anything.
QUOTE=patchick;1753184]FWIW, here are all the players the Pats have drafted in the 7th since 2004, categorized by the reason they were still available so late. The names in red were major-conference players experienced at their positions but lacking in physical attributes and skills. The names in blue were shoot-the-moon prospects with great athletic potential but no high level experience at their prospective positions.
From that small sample, the "blue" approach looks pretty darned good.[/QUOTE]
With Schofield having blown out his knee during Senior Bowl practices, I'm not sure if the Pats take a flyer on him or not..
Eddie Adamski - C
Kyle Mutcher - C
Juamorris Stewart - WR - Say him in the Texas vs. the Nation game. Very good route runner and willing to go over the middle.
Trindon Holliday - KR - I know they list him as a WR, but this kid is just electric as a KR. And his size (5'5") helps him avoid many tackles.
Kelton Tindal - WR - 6'2 and is expected to run his 40 in the low 4.3s and possibly in the 4.2s. Good at adjusting to the deep throws.. Is extremely raw on running routes (Think high school freshman raw). Needs work with the Jugs machine..
Jim Dray - A lot of people liked this kid prior to the Combine. He is a smooth route runner, can catch the ball and is a good blocker. The issues seem to be that he's from Stanford, coming off a knee injury and doesn't seem to have a lot of upside..
Crezdon Butler - CB -
Josh Hull - ILB - Said during the TX vs. Nation game that he wants to play for the Pats. Has the size the Pats look for at ILB. He's stout against the run and he likes to mix it up inside.. He also showed he's decent at dropping back into coverage.
Why not? If they're going to have 12+ picks, might as well push one into 2011. . . .
That was my bad. Must have had Laker highlights in the background while I was posting.
Exactly. Gotta take 4 picks in the 7th round at minimum. Before the injury, Schofield was a 3rd-5th round guy. I thought he was an interesting conversion project to SILB. Draft him with one of the gazillion late picks, let him sit a year to rehab and study, then see if he can earn a spot in 2011.
Really? I never heard that, I thought he just had an underwhelming college career. Wasn't a combine invitee, fwiw.
Tim Hiller, Western Michigan
Joe Webb, UAB
Javarris James, Miami
Stafon Johnson, USC
Scott Sicko, New Hampshire
Ryan Reynolds, Oklahoma
Travis Goethel, Arizona State
Brent Bowden, Virginia Tech
Using these rankings, here's my list of 6-7th rounders - UDFA players that I'd like to bring in with all of our comp picks:
Clifton Geathers - think he goes higher than 7th round, but currently only the 231st ranked prospect in the draft. Could be a great developmental 34 end with his freakish height. Surprisingly quick and coordinated for his size (6'8 #300+).
Patrick Stoudamire - good looking corner prospect. Very underrated, with good fluidity, instincts, and physicality. Average height, but good bulk, strength, and speed. Played against lower competition, but is technically sound.
Danny Batten - again, I think he goes higher, but an absolute steal at this point. Originally a DE, but played ILB at Texas vs Nation, and could offer great versatility. High effort guy; a really impressive player eerily reminiscent of Bruschi.
Jim Dray - fantastic blocker. A few injury concerns. May not be the best athlete in the world and wouldn't catch a lot of passes--could be a tip-off on running formations. Nonetheless, blocks like a third tackle.
Brandon Deaderick - played next to Cody on the Alabama line, and always caught my eye when I scouted the big guy. Extremely stout against the run, and that was before he added 20 pounds for the combine. Good developmental 34 end who actually played the position in college.
Deji Karim - Ray Rice clone. My favorite prospect on this list, by far, Karim reminds me of Rice and MJD. He's short (5'8 or 5'9, depending on who you believe) but at #210 is very thickly built and has impressive power. Reportedly running in the 4.3s and jumping over 40 inches in the vertical while testing for his pro day. Great vision, instant acceleration, good hands, etc. He gives effort as a blocker, but needs to refine his technique. Perfect Faulk understudy.
J'Marcus Webb - huge small-school OT with quick feet and shocking athleticism for a big guy. Not generating a lot of hype, which coupled with his transfer from a major program makes me a bit wary, but all the physical tools are there for him to be a franchise left tackle.
Armanti Edwards - Julian Edelman clone, but with better throwing skills. Amazing stats. For the record, I called Edelman in the seventh last year. It was definitely a blind squirrel sort of situation.
Kevin Matthews - Clay Matthews' brother, Kevin is a solid center/guard developmental prospect. Might lack a little athleticism, but is very sound and has great football bloodlines.
Travis Ivey - can never have too many big men on the line. He's a massive nose-tackle and a likely PS candidate. Let's keep the pipeline going.
Mike Brandtner - really underrated directional punter. Never had a punt blocked. Drops an inordinate amount of kicks inside the 10, and often times kicks so his coverage arrives exactly when the ball does.
Keiland Williams - what's up with LSU running backs? Poor guys can't stay healthy. Regardless, Williams is a versatile runner/blocker/receiver who runs hard and has fantastic agility for a big back, though he lacks top-end speed.
LaMarcus Coker - drug issues got him kicked off the Tennessee team, but he appears to have owned up to his mistakes and turned things around. Extremely fast (timed in the 4.2s at school and all star games), and appears to have return and receiving skills.
Wow, that's a long list. I think I'll stop here and go do something productive. I get way too involved in the draft. :singing:
Great list, Reamer. I'm going to need to study more of the later-round prospects now. It wouldn't surprise to see a Punter being taken with one of the comps.
And I agree with Patchick: Bill has had better luck drafting the inexperienced athletes, instead of the experienced - but not extremely productive - stiffs, in the 7th round.
Mmm...sounds like good advice: when dealing with comp picks, it's better to draft superior athleticism - or superior, All-American-style production - than it is to draft inferior athleticism + mediocre production.
QB/WR Armanti Edwards
RB Deji Karim
DE/OLB Danny Batten
CB Patrick Stoudamire
These four small school prospects may not all make it to rounds 6-7, but IMO they all have qualities that fit the Pats profile. I'm hopeful NE will show some interest in them via workouts and visits.
Another prospect happens to be my favorite CB in the draft -- Walter Thurmond. He's not an unknown sleeper, as he would've been highly ranked had he not suffered a major knee injury. He's currently rehabbing and won't work out at his Pro Day. Word is, he'll be ready to run in April -- which is very late in the evaluation process, possibly dropping him even further into the later rounds. Obviously he needs to time fast enough to play the position -- but play-he-can. He's the former teammate of my favorite player in last year's draft -- Patrick Chung. The type of player BB may take earlier than most teams (4th?).
Wow, we picked all the same guys. Nice.
Agree with you on Walter Thurmond. I mentioned in the thread about McCourty that I prefer Thurmond to any other developmental corners, but I figured he would go in the 4th or 5th, and thus wouldn't be available when our comp picks kick in.
Also, Captain Stone, thanks for the shout out. I really enjoying scouting small school guys, so I'm glad you found the list useful. Have fun doing your own research, as well. Cheers!
Wouldn't be surprised if one of these picks is a return specialist. Wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Brandon James' name called, either.
I would be. When was the last time BB drafted a player with the expectation that he would be solely a return man?
For some reason, BB is perfectly willing to bring in players just to play STs (in 2008 he had seven or eight players on the 45-man roster who almost exclusively played STs), but isn't willing to bring in a Josh Cribbs-like player to be a KR/PR.
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