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  1. Rob0729

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    Here are some highlights of his spot:

    • Players and coaches around the league feel jobs were lost because of the Pats' cheating
    • He believes Belichick will be suspended, Peter King does not (he and King talked about it last night)
    • One of his league sources says that at least 10 teams videotape signals like the Pats, just not as brazen at it.
    • Houston claimed that they found someone videotaping last year, but he disapeared before security arrived
    • He doesn't think a suspension of Belichick would really be much of a punishment since Belichick would still be involved in the gameplan
    • Belichick's attitude over the years is coming back to haunt him because everyone is turning on him
    • John Dennis said that Belichick's arguement said that Belichick's defense was that the rule says "you can't use videotape for use during the game". Belichick contends that he was going to use the videotape to compile information for the end of the year.
    • Robert Kraft may actually have some input on Goodell's decision
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    Thanks for that. Sounds like things aren't getting worse. My only fear right now is some smoking gun on some other skeletens - that all teams certainly have but everyone's coming out about us now. As long as what you quote Shefter on is all they're dealing with, we'll get hit but be OK.
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    I'm disappointed in Shefter.

    If you're going to reach conclusions like this one: Belichick's attitude over the years is coming back to haunt him because everyone is turning on him

    Then shouldn't you be honest enough to also conclude: Everyone is jealous of Belichick because he has coached circles around them and dominated the league for so long.

    Come on Adam, you're better than this. If you're going o draw personal conclusions, then at least be honest.
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    You think? The guy is only driving globalization of the league. China Bowl ring a bell? Don't forget that Kraft was screwed out of that game by the league because the NFL wasn't prepared. Think Kraft will remind him of this?
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    He is an easy target though. Dungy would be untouchable since he is perceived as "nice" - tell me one football coach in the history of football that is fully "nice".
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    In Adam's defense;

    John asked this question...Do you think BB is prosecuted in the court of public opinion because of his prickly behavior to media, and because of his success?...to which Adam answered as above.
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    Yeah, BB is kinda like the "creepy" guy suspected of killing somebody on a legal TV show, and suspicion is on him like white on rice. But at the end it turns out to be the well-adjusted guy that the cops catch on to later in the show.
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    I think the most interesting comment was that at least one person told him that the tape was most definitely not to be used during the game at hand. Instead, this person said that the Pats compile a book, or as he called it DNA, on every defensive coach in the league including what signals they use. This makes a lot more sense than what most have been reporting as it always seemed hard to believe that somehow the Pats would have time to break down the tape at halftime and decipher the signals. It also explains why they would film Green Bay and Detroit as it was the coaches they were studying not the teams. In my view, this fits more with what we know about BB and his legendary attention to detail. I think if we were to find out who the 10-12 teams who do this were we would find that they are amongst the most successful franchises in the league. Not because they are cheaters but because they are probably more prepared and detailed oriented than their peers. I also think that if aspect was reported this whole incident would be looked at in a much different light. Sadly, I doubt that this will happen.
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    I think it goes both ways. I think there is some jealousy towards Belichick, but Belichick hasn't made a lot of friends in this league. His focus on winning over all else has alienated a lot of people in this league.

    I think that is clearly why people are acting like this is the worst offense that has ever happened in this sport. I think this is why Mangini has skated on being a Judas to his former mentor. Do you think if Herm Edwards did this to Tony Dungy that people wouldn't be blasting Edwards for turning on his former mentor?

    Many people who like Belichick or have no vested interest have been saying this is no big deal or that it isn't uncommon in the NFL. Many of the people making a big deal about this have a grudge towards Belichick and the Pats.
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    BTW, this comment

    was just complete speculation by Dale yesterday afternoon. I find it humorous that it seems to have spun away into people now saying that is BB's defense. No one but NE officials and Goodell know what BB's defense is.

    Dennis is a complete moron.
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    Well, he's not that creepy. According to the people who know him well, and at the Pro Bowl last year, he let his guard down and had a good time. Apparently, he likes the cloak and dagger stuff during the season because it allows him to coach better and win games.
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    Another thing. Everyone admits that stealing signs is universally done. Many admit that NE is not alone in the videotaping thing.

    So, if NE is not alone in videotaping, and the use for the taping - stealing signs - is done by everyone, how again did anyone lose jobs because of NE cheating?

    There is no logic there, just complete spite.

    Look, I think that NE did something beyond the scope of "gamesmanship" and should be punished, but let's be realistic here. No one lost there jobs because of NE's videotaping.
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    Every person is different character and so is he. I would take our grumpy,media despising coach over any of the media and sound bite friendly coaches who say more to cover their own incompetencies. In the current crop of coaches i think i would compare only shanahan to BB somewhat.
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    I disagree. BB has alot of friends in the league. There are many people in the league and in the college ranks who speak very highly of him. He hasn't done is made alot of friends in THE MEDIA and that's what's causing this firestorm now.
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    Dennis did say this morning that he got his information from someone in the league office.
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    Belichick has a lot of enemies in the NFL. Don't kid yourself. He may have friends too, but there are plenty of people in this league who would be very happy him go down in flames.
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    The problem is the general public doesn't 'know' him, or at least they know what they see on TV. Public image is EVERYTHING. See Tony Dungy, Peyton Manning, etc. They come off as angels and Brady and Belichick come off as villains. Maybe that's what the NFL is driving at.
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    It's all about technicalities. If that's how it's written then we have NOTHING to answer for.
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    Huh...? :confused:

    John Dennis was very clear in his statement. He said "This is a report I have heard from inside league offices, I don't know if it's true or not, but here it is... and let me again emphasize we don't know if this is true, but the report says..."

    What is he supposed to do..? Get a story from a source inside league offices and then keep it his own personal secret...?
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    Dennis said later that his league source said that the league put out a clarification of the rule that there should be absolutely no filming of the other team's bench.
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    For the league's case they'd better have said sideline not bench :) If not we still have nothing worry about . . .
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    I guess that I was wrong, because I have heard nothing by Dale's speculation about BB's defense. Then, later in the Big Show, the wording started to change and by the time NEST came on they were talking as if it definitely was the defense.

    I'm still a little skeptical considering just how little credibility I give to D & C, but I didn't realize that he claimed to have a source.
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    I live in NYC and follow the local and national media on this closely. I think we got so spoiled that most of us forgot what it means to win ONE SuperBowl, let alone three in a few years in this media-driven environment, 14 years into the Cap/Free Agency Era. Everyone who resented us since the Superdome in 2002 is coming out of the woodwork and stretching the significance of this incident up to and well beyond the limits of rationality, including otherwise thoughtful people like Hines Ward and Michael Strahan.

    The bottom line is, we're fu*#ed in the short term. Well and truly fu*#ed.

    We can either drive ourselves crazy or turn off our TV's and Radios, stop reading all but homer columnists, get a good book and ride out the storm. Here's how I see it:

    The sh!t storm will grow in intensity this week until Goodell issues his decision and penalty. If the penalty is excessive, we'll have to deal with boundless gloating. If the penalty is reasonable, we'll have to deal with endless complaints about Goodell's "hypocrisy" and "leniency."

    Things will reach a crescendo during Sunday night's game, when we can only hope that John Madden "tut tuts" but otherwise takes a "boys will be boys" attitude. You know that his colleagues in the booth and on the pre-game will draw and quarter us before the kickoff.

    If we beat the Chargers, people will quiet down a bit. If we lose, the volume will rise again and the mantra will be that we "can't win without cheating."

    After that, the only way we will get this to quiet down to a reasonable level is by winning, winning, winning.

    Our most virulent opponents will do their utmost to keep the story alive until the Bengals game on a Monday night when we can look for Turico et al to scour the stands for the cleverest "cheating" posters. That will be good for another storm.

    Then, especially if we're winning, things will settle down until the Jets game, which no doubt will be moved to Prime Time. Assuming that we put the biggest possible hurt on Mangini & Co. in that game, things should start to settle down by Thanksgiving.

    But things will rev up for the Playoffs when a Patriots loss will be attributed by many if not most to the loss of our "cheating" advantage. The only thing that will settle this whole mess down will be a victory in Phoenix, when Goodell will have to hand the trophy to Kraft and Belichick. Now, THAT would be sweet.
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    Never can understand how anyone can demonize BB based on press reports, go back to an experience I had with BB when he first came to NE. Was at a function honoring Jim Brown one night, and when took the podium, he said something to the effect that:

    "If Michael Jordan did 1/2 as much good works as Bill Belichick, the world would be a much different place."

    Enough said, never seen so much crap about a man who brought us back to the limelight quickly. It is all so much bullcrap, how this franchise is pure or goody two shoes.. that is how the media made them, they did nothing except win. They never said that, anyone who says this stuff and is jumping on this bandwagon has never read the books or does not understand this man at all. Time to F...ing move on, there is a big game sunday nite.
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    Schefter said this? This is probably the one explanation that makes more sense than any of the others. Even Bill Simmons point about how Ernie Adams has a photogrphic memory and could decipher hand signals seemd a stretch to me. Can you tell me if this is posted elsewhere or if it was just in thei WEEI interview?
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    When you say "at least one person told him" is him "Belichick" or "Shefter" ? In other words are you saying at least one person told Belichick the tape is not to be used during the game or that someone was describing how the Patriots use it ?

    Not that it's that important as it's clear it couldn't be used real time - I was just curious exactly what you were saying here.
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    Yes, obviously I paraphrased from memory but he said this in response to a question about why they would film Green Bay, which was towards the end of the segment. Schefter said that he asked someone how it would make sense to film a team that they would not play again for years. I'm sure EEI will put the segment in the archive at some point today or tomorrow.
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    I don't think there is an official transcript anywhere, but I can vouch that that is a very accurate representation of the Schefter interview on D&C this morning.

    The part I found most interesting was Schefter predicts a suspension but Peter King doesn't. I guess well just have to wait and see :D
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