Adalius Thomas dissing the coach

[Hardboiled]

Maybe he rolled his eyes at the question and then directed it to the person it should be asked.

Afterall, most Boston sportwriters are really just drama-seekers at heart.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Why do some fans dwell on drama ... what is this football or soap opera?

 

[patsfan-1982]

Your claim was that Seymour provides depth because we were gassed. My claim is that if Warren and Green were active thats the depth we need to not be gassed. I still dont think we were gassed, people are using that as an excuse.

Seymour is not the best 3-4 linemen in the league anymore. He is injury prone. He is also getting up there in age. I guarantee this trade will work out in the long run.

if seymour is not the best 3-4 DE in the NFL then who is ?

and even if he is not the best he was and still is better then any player we have right now on D he was the best run stoper and passrusher the pats had so you cant say it would not help to have seymour

 

[The_Natural_83]

Who even knows if Seymour would have been healthy. There's obviously a good reason why Belicheck decided to trade him. I hate the **** about Belicheck on this site. He knows more about the game than all of us combined, I think he has a little more inside and knowledge about his players than we do. When the Pats win there are about two new threads, and when they lose there are about fifty new threads. There were a lot of positives that came out of the game. Overall the Pats showed they could play with any team in the league, and if I were Indianapolis I would not want to see the Patriots in the playoffs.

 

[pats1]

I'm fine with the defense as-is. I'm not sure having Seymour would mean marked improvement.

This is defense is going to get really, really good over the next few years. We've only begun to see what Mayo and Meriweather can do. Just imagine if Brace, Wheatley, and Crable start to come on.

 

[The_Natural_83]

I'm fine with the defense as-is. I'm not sure having Seymour would mean marked improvement.

This is defense is going to get really, really good over the next few years. We've only begun to see what Mayo and Meriweather can do. Just imagine if Brace, Wheatley, and Crable start to come on.

Thank you. Even by season's end the secondary will be much better after last night. Having some of those players finally play against a great quarterback this season will also provide confidence going into the playoffs where the best quarterbacks are usually found. The defense held their own. Yes, they let up 35 points but they are improving every week.

 

[Deus Irae]

Your claim was that Seymour provides depth because we were gassed. My claim is that if Warren and Green were active thats the depth we need to not be gassed. I still dont think we were gassed, people are using that as an excuse.

Seymour is not the best 3-4 linemen in the league anymore. He is injury prone. He is also getting up there in age. I guarantee this trade will work out in the long run.

Given your inability, or deliberate refusal, to understand and acknowledge that a Pro-Bowl caliber defensive lineman would improve the line's depth (again, this isn't even getting into the improvement of the starting line), I think I'll pass on your 'guarantee' since it involves the D-line positions.

As for whether or not the team was 'gassed', that's what Bob George and others, including the broadcast crew, are/were claiming.

 

[The Dynasty]

I'm fine with the defense as-is. I'm not sure having Seymour would mean marked improvement.

This is defense is going to get really, really good over the next few years. We've only begun to see what Mayo and Meriweather can do. Just imagine if Brace, Wheatley, and Crable start to come on.

Completely agree. I dont think some of these posters realize what kind of defense we have. Meriweather and McGowan are going to be studs. Butler is going to be a solid corner. Mayo is going to be an all-pro LB. This defense has been so fun to watch this year progress every week. With our Seymour pick, it will most likely be on the defensive side and only improve on what we have now. If everyone stays here our defense is going to be very good for a long time

 

[Patspsycho]

Har dee har. Nice one. :lol2:

 

[Deus Irae]

Why is everyone saying that if we had Seymour we would have won lastnight? It doesn't make sence. A better statement would be if Warren and Green were healthy then we would have won lastnight. Green has always been the "pass rushing specialist." Seymour has never been a real threat in the passing game, yes he demands a double team, but complaining about this is pointless. And for one of the posters to use the Pat White run as an example, how did Seymour do against the wildcat last year? The Pats have not been able to stop the run for a couple of seasons even with Seymour, so stop making that claim. Yes he was an all- pro and depth would have been key, but lets talk about the D-Lineman that are actually on the team who will be back the next time the Patriots face Indy.

Seymour led the team with 8 sacks last season. He's had two 8 sack seasons in his career, and he has 4 sacks so far this season.

Jarvis Green's career high sack total is 7.5, which he accomplished once. He had 2 sacks last season, and his next sack this season will be his first.

 

[The_Natural_83]

Given your inability, or deliberate refusal, to understand and acknowledge that a Pro-Bowl caliber defensive lineman would improve the line's depth (again, this isn't even getting into the improvement of the starting line), I think I'll pass on your 'guarantee' since it involves the D-line positions.

As for whether or not the team was 'gassed', that's what Bob George and others, including the broadcast crew, are/were claiming.

If the team had Tom Brady last year they would have won the Superbowl. Stop complaining about players that aren't on the team, and support the ones that are on it. Lets talk about getting Warren and Green back and being healthy for the stretch run, then the playoffs. When Warren is healthy hes a top 5 3-4 defensive end and Green is a proven pass rushing specialist. Do you think after the game Belicheck thought to himself, "Damn if we had Seymour right now we would have won, or punted that ball." The D has not been the strength the past couple of seasons with Seymour, so why would that have changed this year?

 

[BostonBullit]

Good frikkin lord will you stop with the "pro-bowl caliber lineman" crap. When was the last time Seymour deserved to go to the pro bowl?? I've defended him as a solid player the last few years even though he was nowhere near what he was his first few seasons. You really liked sey, you're ticked BB shipped him to Oakland, we get it, but stop pretending that 2001 Seymour would have been in the game last night.

 

[The_Natural_83]

Seymour led the team with 8 sacks last season. He's had two 8 sack seasons in his career, and he has 4 sacks so far this season.

Jarvis Green's career high sack total is 7.5, which he accomplished once. He had 2 sacks last season, and his next sack this season will be his first.

If you noticed, Jarvis is not an every down defensive lineman. He usually plays against a passing team like the Colts. Ideally, something more realistic than wishing Seymour was back would be... Wow I can't wait for the playoffs when the Pats are up in the 4th against the Colts and Jarvis, Ty Warren, TBC and Burgess are in the game rushing the passer. The depth problem last night had to do with injuries. If those two were to have been healthy then Wilfork wouldn't have had to be in the game in passing situations. On the radio today they were saying how Wilfork was in about 25+ more snaps than hes used to. Maybe that has to do with Jarvis and Warren being out, then TBC getting hurt.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Even ignoring overall level of play by the starters which would be improved, having a pro bowl caliber D-lineman doesn't improve D-line depth in comparison to having a rookie second rounder that you don't put on the field?


Are you seriously trying to make that claim?

Unlike his myopic fanbase, Bill has to take the long view. I think he knows he waited too long to move on from most of his veteran playmakers. Landing Moss and Welker likely led him to believe he could string the transition out a little by relying on an offense stocked with playmakers.

Willie was on NFLN TA tonight. He said that while he could understand what his boy Tedy said, that was passion talking and times have changed. In their heyday Bill had a whole bunch of playmakers on defense. You could tell those guys you were punting to Manning and their reaction would be he won't get 20 yards off us. Of course by January 2007 that already was no longer the case. Had too few playmakers and most were too old and slow to make the plays...

As Willie said, not to diss the present defense that has a lot of talent and developing potential playmakers, they just aren't there yet and BB decided to put the game in the hands of the offense because it possesses his best playmakers. Willie said he ALWAYS does what he believes is in the best interest of his team. Given what happened the last three times these teams met, he decided to bank on the offense when led by Brady with Moss and Welker as well as Faulk on the field. In the final analysis they simply failed to execute (although not by much).

PS The last guy on defense to suggest the coaches lost a game plays in Oakland now. I can only imagine where AD will be next season...although with a $5M salary due it may be tough to find any suitors.

Made sense, but what does Willie know...

 

[Deus Irae]

If the team had Tom Brady last year they would have won the Superbowl. Stop complaining about players that aren't on the team, and support the ones that are on it.

I don't go the homer route and pretend that everything the team does is the right thing. When I think mistakes are made, I'll point that out. If you don't like that sort of approach, perhaps creating a blog of your own and avoiding message boards is a better way for you to go, because that's how message boards tend to work.

Lets talk about getting Warren and Green back and being healthy for the stretch run, then the playoffs. When Warren is healthy hes a top 5 3-4 defensive end and Green is a proven pass rushing specialist.

What has Green "proven" in the past couple of seasons? According to NFL.com, he's registered 2 sacks in his last 21 games (It's 19 games according to Pro-Football-Reference.com).

Do you think after the game Belicheck thought to himself, "Damn if we had Seymour right now we would have won, or punted that ball."

I certainly hope that he did. Hopefully it helped reinforce a lesson about decisions impacting future decisions.

The D has not been the strength the past couple of seasons with Seymour, so why would that have changed this year?

The D-Line has gone from a strength to a problem. Seymour wasn't the reason that Deltha O'Neal sucked, but he was a major reason that the team's defensive line was among the league's very best for much of the decade.

This season's 'starting' D-linemen trio of Wilfork, Warren and Green, have a combined ONE sack. Thank goodness for Mike Wright and his 4 sacks, or Seymour would have more sacks this season than the entire Patriots D-line combined.

 

[Deus Irae]

Unlike his myopic fanbase, Bill has to take the long view. I think he knows he waited too long to move on from most of his veteran playmakers. Landing Moss and Welker likely led him to believe he could string the transition out a little by relying on an offense stocked with playmakers.

Willie was on NFLN TA tonight. He said that while he could understand what his boy Tedy said, that was passion talking and times have changed. In their heyday Bill had a whole bunch of playmakers on defense. You could tell those guys you were punting to Manning and their reaction would be he won't get 20 yards off us. Of course by January 2007 that already was no longer the case. Had too few playmakers and most were too old and slow to make the plays...

As Willie said, not to diss the present defense that has a lot of talent and developing potential playmakers, they just aren't there yet and BB decided to put the game in the hands of the offense because it possesses his best playmakers. Willie said he ALWAYS does what he believes is in the best interest of his team. Given what happened the last three times these teams met, he decided to bank on the offense when led by Brady with Moss and Welker as well as Faulk on the field.

PS The last guy on defense to suggest the coaches lost a game plays in Oakland now. I can only imagine where AD will be next season...although with a $5M salary due it may be tough to find any suitors.

Made sense, but what does Willie know...

Moving Seymour has nothing to do with improving the defense any time soon. The draft pick doesn't even get used until 2011. It was a step back, and I refuse to believe that Belichick was too stupid to know that. He took a gamble on the players that were already here, and it was a bad idea to do so given all the circumstances.


As for "what does Willie know", the response is easy: "What do Rodney and Tedy know". Dueling ex-players? Come on, now.

 

[Hardboiled]

I'm fine with the defense as-is. I'm not sure having Seymour would mean marked improvement.

This is defense is going to get really, really good over the next few years. We've only begun to see what Mayo and Meriweather can do. Just imagine if Brace, Wheatley, and Crable start to come on.

Crable starts to "come on"? What's the measure of that? That he gets into a regular season game? Crable?

I was with you up until that. I am frustrated by the irony that when we put our best secondary out in years against Indy, we start the game so weak on the D-line. Then TBC goes down.

Where' the justice?!

 

[The_Natural_83]

Your speaking in the past. Yes he was a key contributor to the Superbowl teams, so were other players that aren't here anymore. It's kind of funny how you respond to me, but when Pats1 says basically the same thing I am saying, you don't respond. It seems like since I've been overlooking this message board, you seem to try to duel everyone. Why is it that everytime the Patriots win, there is less chatter? It has nothing to do with being a "homer" its called being realistic. It is fine to disagree with management, but there is a reason why they make the management calls. They went with who they thought would put the team in the best position to win, whether it be this season or upcoming seasons. In that trade it was obviously for the future. Sorry, but I believe they have been successfull going on almost 10 years. They want to stock pile with draft picks and make the team better for the future obviously. Not bank everything for the next 2-3 years. And for you to keep acting like Seymour was a great pass rusher is false. He was not known as that, and he never will be. He was a great player, but is on the decline now and Belicheck and other upper management saw that he no longer deserved the money he was recieving.

 

[The Dynasty]

Moving Seymour has nothing to do with improving the defense any time soon. The draft pick doesn't even get used until 2011. It was a step back, and I refuse to believe that Belichick was too stupid to know that. He took a gamble on the players that were already here, and it was a bad idea to do so given all the circumstances.


As for "what does Willie know", the response is easy: "What do Rodney and Tedy know". Dueling ex-players? Come on, now.

You're talking like you know more than Belichick. I think he knew exactly what he was doing when he was trading Seymour. It was not a step back, it was a step forward for the future. The pick is going to improve the defense in 2 years. Its going to be a top 10 pick. I really dont understand your love for Seymour.

I really cannot take anything you say seriously after you said Belichicks decisions to go for it was "incredibly stupid". Would it have been "incredibly stupid" if Faulk gets a good spot and it's a 1st down? No, you probably would be saying Belichick is a genius and you would have not even mentioned the Seymour trade. I dont agree with the decision to go for it, but I can definitely see his reasoning and a support him. I support the team and its coaches and players that are on the roster. I dont think about players we had that are now on the opposite coast.

 

[The_Natural_83]

And no I am not taking anything away from Seymour, he was a great player for us and a future Hall of Famer. Obviously he would have helped IF he was on the team, and if he was on the team, IF he was healthy which was always a big IF about Seymour in his last few years with the Patriots. I wouldn't have mind seeing A. Samuel out there on Wayne most of the game also.