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    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-06-abramoff-bush_x.htm

    In President Bush's first 10 months, GOP fundraiser Jack Abramoff and his lobbying team logged nearly 200 contacts with the new administration as they pressed for friendly hires at federal agencies and sought to keep the Northern Mariana Islands exempt from the minimum wage and other laws, records show....

    Abramoff, a $100,000-plus fundraiser for Bush, is now under criminal investigation for some of his lobbying work. His firm boasted its lobbying team helped revise a section of the Republican Party's 2000 platform to make it favorable to its island client....

    The reception Abramoff's team received from the Bush administration was in stark contrast to the chilly relations of the Clinton years. Abramoff, then at the Preston Gates firm, scored few meetings with Clinton aides and the lobbyist and the islands vehemently opposed White House attempts to extend U.S. labor laws to the territory's clothing factories.

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    While politics is dirty business, the evidence really is starting to roll in just how corrupt the Republican Party has become. Is it a result of the one-party government not having the normal checks and balances or is because the Republican philosophy allows corruption to flourish? Wonder where personal responsibility enters into this?
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    Did you also hear he wore a wire at some point in the past year? Thats got to be a little troubling. I'll dig it up when I get a chance. :bricks: <----mandatory brick-ending post
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    Gee, I wonder if any Democrats are mixed up in this :bricks:
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    I'LL BET THE DUMOCRATS AND UNCLE TEDDY DRUNKDRIVING KENNEDY IS UP TO HIS EARS IN DIRTY FILTHY SCUM LIBERAL POO POO MONEY:singing:

    :bricks: <----HERES A LIBRAL TAKING DIRTY ABRAMOFF MONEY FROM INDIAN TRIBES AND HIS NAME IS RALPH "JESUS SAVE US FROM THE TROGLODYTE" REED A SWORN MEMEBER OF THE KU KLUX KLAN GRAND WIZARD


    [I'm going to join the GOP so I can make meaningless remarks instead of discuss big boy poo poo.]
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    YEAH, BUT WHAT ABOUT HEALTH CARE?

    this is al gore playing in his cellar :bricks:
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    Source:
    HarryBoy News Service
    Jan 09 2006
    America

    From the National Republican Senate Committee website: "Dems don't know Jack"

    All but 5 of the 44 Dem senators took money from Abramoff.

    40 Of The 45 Members Of The Senate Democrat Caucus:

    Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) Received At Least – $22,500
    Senator Evan Bayh (D-IN) Received At Least – $6,500
    Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE) Received At Least – $1,250
    Senator Jeff Bingaman (D-NM) Received At Least – $2,000
    Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) Received At Least – $20,250
    Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA) Received At Least – $21,765
    Senator Tom Carper (D-DE) Received At Least – $7,500
    Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) Received At Least – $12,950
    Senator Kent Conrad (D-ND) Received At Least – $8,000
    Senator Jon Corzine (D-NJ) Received At Least – $7,500
    Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) Received At Least – $14,792
    Senator Byron Dorgan (D-ND) Received At Least – $79,300
    Senator Dick Durbin (D-IL) Received At Least – $14,000
    Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) Received At Least – $2,000
    Senator Russ Feingold (D-WI) Received At Least – $1,250
    Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) Received At Least – $45,750
    Senator Daniel Inouye (D-HI) Received At Least – $9,000
    Senator Jim Jeffords (I-VT) Received At Least – $2,000
    Senator Tim Johnson (D-SD) Received At Least – $14,250
    Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) Received At Least – $3,300
    Senator John Kerry (D-MA) Received At Least – $98,550
    Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) Received At Least – $28,000
    Senator Pat Leahy (D-VT) Received At Least – $4,000
    Senator Carl Levin (D-MI) Received At Least – $6,000
    Senator Joe Lieberman (D-CT) Received At Least – $29,830
    Senator Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) Received At Least – $14,891
    Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) Received At Least – $10,550
    Senator Patty Murray (D-WA) Received At Least – $78,991
    Senator Bill Nelson (D-FL) Received At Least – $20,168
    Senator Ben Nelson (D-NE) Received At Least – $5,200
    Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) Received At Least – $7,500
    Senator Mark Pryor (D-AR) Received At Least – $2,300
    Senator Jack Reed (D-RI) Received At Least – $3,500
    Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) Received At Least – $68,941
    Senator John Rockefeller (D-WV) Received At Least – $4,000
    Senator Ken Salazar (D-CO) Received At Least – $4,500
    Senator Paul Sarbanes (D-MD) Received At Least – $4,300
    Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) Received At Least – $29,550
    Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) Received At Least – $6,250
    Senator Ron Wyden (D-OR) Received At Least – $6,250

    :bricks: :rocker:
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    Wolf Shill Blitzer couldn't get the answer the RNC was hoping for.. Love that sigh at the end. Poor Wolfie.
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    Stop it!
    You both (libs and cons) look like complete idiods defendin your respective parties in this scandal!
    Pigs at the same trough - end of story, no one gets hurt...
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    #15 Jersey

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    Rorabacher's a total piece of shyte, but what about the other recipients of his fundraising? What do they have to say? ...The silence is deafening...
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    Wistah, back up your claim (lest you look like an idiot). So far there's no evidence that the Democrats got money from Abramoff. I'm not saying the Democrats are saints, but they're not nearly as corrupt as the Republicans.
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    Lest YOU look like an idiot, Patters. Unless you want to split political hairs, try to tell us all what makes dems different from repubs...to me, they're all republicrats.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2005/12/12/GR2005121200286.html
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    By the way, what the HELL does the phrase "not nearly as" mean?
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    It means cheaply bought pol- a pol that doesn't get to golf St. Andrews..
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    It's unbelievable how each day NAMES of Democrats taking Abramoff money comes up right alongside the Republicans and the sore losing liberals are still trying to deny it, it's becoming "Comical".

    It must be true, "Liberals Are Looneys"
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    Harry, perhaps its because of your lack of education, but you're being duped by the Republican Party, or do you have other sources to support your contention that the Democrats have been taking Abramoff money?

    These links are from opensecrets which lists who received money from Abramoff. They are all Republicans:

    http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/s...tEmploy=&txtCand=&txt2000=Y&txt1998=Y&Order=N

    http://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/s...=3&Cycle1=2006&Cycle2=2004&Cycle3=2002&Page=1

    It is true that Democrats got money from some of the lobbying firms Abramoff worked for and from some of his clients, but that's not illegal, and not what the issue is.

    Try reading up on the issue rather than just sounding ignorant. So far, no Democrats have been linked to Abramoff money.
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    Really, because I haven't seen that many Democratic names compared to Republicans. In the Washington Post David Broder talks about the "K Street Project". This is where Delay moved Republican staffers into similiar positions with law firms and lobbies, and key corporate trade associations. Abramoff's key assistant was a former aid to Delay, not Kennedy. Republicans control the house, not Democrats. Are you saying that Abramoff bribed the same number of Dem's as Republicans because of some type of equality action? No, the Republicans are in power and the number of dirty transactions are heavily Republican. When this scandal begins to get uncovered, not only will there substantially be more Republicans involved, but in addition there will be more laws that have been found broken and this just may mushroom. I guess its how you look at things: (D) Rep. Kennedy took contributions from Abramoff! Then you find threads here saying Kennedy is guilty of taking bribes, tho there is no other information in the article to merit that view. On the other hand, Republican Speaker of the House Hastert, took contributions from Abramoff and the following week authored a letter co-signed by Delay to the Gaming commission. The letter was very unusual. Jenna Band, a lobbyist said, " I do this for a living and I have never seen a letter like this before. It was incredibly unusual for that group of people, who do not usually weigh in on Indian issues, to express such a strong opinion about a particular project not in any of their home states."
    I don't know this Jenna Band person, but logic and evidence paints a pretty good picture. But its how you look at things. I was watching Hard Ball interviewing Kate O'brien (Republican mouthpiece) and she didn't think there was any problem with any other high ranking Republicans namely the Speaker of the House, which was in stark contrast to (R) Joe Scarborough who was aghast at the Speaker's actions. So fight amongst yourselves, we will see soon enough as the aides of congressmen are indicted, and there will be no equality concerning the indictments.
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    1 Oh no, oh God no, Our Democrats would never do that, if it's anything dishonest it's those rotten Republicans.

    2 Oh no, their lying, they are trying to drag our "beautiful saintly virgin democrats into this"

    3 What, I don't care what they say, I don't believe it.

    4 Well if he took money he probably didn't know he was taking money?

    5 Well if he took money he probably didn't think there was anything wrong with it.

    6 Well if he took money it was OK, he's a democrat.

    7 Well the republicnas took more that the democrats.

    8 Well he just took a little, that don't count.

    9 I DON'T CARE WHAT GOD SAYS, THE DEMOCRATS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG.

    10
    I see trees of green, red roses too
    I see them bloom for me and you
    And i think to myself:
    "What a wonderful world!" :bricks:
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    Lets not blur the issue. The charges against Abramoff are specific. He's not being charged simply because he's a superlobbyist- there are plenty of those who get away with legal bribery all the time.

    He is being charged in connection with a very specific scam involving ripping off Indian Tribes to line the pockets of very specific congressmen and their associates. There is the other scam involving SunCruise which I'm less familiar with, but also involves a gangland style murder.

    This isn't about a few junkets. This is about a huge con involving Delay, Ney, Reed, and a few others. This may explain why Bush doesn't feel the need to return all of his campaign money from Jack Abramoff.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/22/AR2005062200921_pf.html
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