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    Arizona gave John Abraham a two-year deal.
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    Would've been nice, but the tea leaves were never optimistic.
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    He would have made one less question mark along the DL.
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    I think he'd still be a question mark. He could come in and give us an Andre Carter year or he could come in and give us a Shaun Ellis year.
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    probably wanted to coast into retirement with no expectations on him and no worries that he would be on a team competing for a league title with the spotlight shining brightly down upon him
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    Look at it this way, he gets to go home at New Years instead of working hard for another 5 weeks. Prime time in the Carribbean at lower than Feb vacation rates.
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    Not really.

    I don't really consider Cunningham/Bequette/Francis question marks. They're just role players. That is what Abraham would have been here in New England. A situational role player. His name doesn't match his play anymore.

    Abraham, like the tweet says, would not have started here. And I'm glad Belichick refused to budge on that because Abraham is over the hill. I've gone on record how much I think Ninkovich is overrated but I'd rather have him start and Abraham come in as a situational rusher.

    Along with Reed, glad we didn't sign another big name, little performance player.
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    I think Brady will still be playing at a high level during that season. With him under center, we're pretty much a lock to win the division.
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    knew he wasn't coming to the pats...at least he will get more time..a good player
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    Winning the Division shouldn't be the concern, it should be the Playoffs. At least the team has the opportunity to see out the development of its players and the team. We really need key rostered players to improve significantly in 2013.
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    not a big loss....gives BB the opportunity to play/develop the youngsters....I think our defense is going to surprise alot of people....
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    I think it came down to playing time. Abraham has maintained he wanted to play somewhere where he could get about 70% of the reps. He wasn't getting it in New England. He is an immediate starter in Arizona.

    I am thinking this wasn't as much about money as playing time. Several teams looked at him, but none were looking at him as a full time player (at least it didn't seem like they were). Abraham would have been a rotational guy here.

    I personally figured it was a very good chance he would end up here with the lack of interest from a team that could use him as a full time starter, but I never expected a team like the Cardinals (especially since he hasn't really played in a 3-4 all that much) to step in with a starting job.
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    The Cards cut Obrian Schofield to make room for Abraham. He was a real good pass rusher before he blew his knee out in the Senior Bowl. The Pats need a pass rusher. Bring in Schofield and see if brings anything to the table. He has been injury plagued but hopefully that is behind him.Following him at Wisconsin, I know he is a good guy and very hard worker.
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    Please remember that we are not looking for a DE starter, anymore. We finally have a pair in Jones and Ninkovitch. We were looking for the 3rd and 4th startable pass rushers. Jamie Collins, Jake Bequette, or Cunningham et al, are in that contest.

    In fact there is only one defensive position, or hole, for which the Pats are/were seeking a starter, and that is coverage OLB. Hence it is not surprising that the first draft pick was for such a talent. They even imported a Big Nickle SS to cover the TEs in Adrian Wilson to allow time to break in, and have a reserve too.

    For the first time in the four year rebuilding since 2009, the Defense has no holes, and at least one "startable" reserve everywhere. The rest of the League had best beware.

    Turning to the Offense, there is only one remaining job to do. Now to find a talented rook WR to replace the average "X" receiver Michael Jenkins, and the entire rebuilding is complete. Even if the interior DL is still a patchwork of very talented but aging vets.
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    Don't sleep on Arizona, if Palmer and Fitzgerald can get on the same page they could be a very competitive team, their defense is going to be very good.


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    No disrespect to your opinion Brady6 but do you seriously believe that a team Quarterbacked by the Carception is going to be a productive Playoff team? Sure, he'll put up some gaudy numbers and probably rejuvenate Larry Fitzgerald (the clear standout receiver in the league behind Megatron) but Palmer finds a way to turn the football over at the most inopportune times.

    To me, Palmer is a name Quarterback not a substance Quarterback.
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    It is not true that defense has no holes. The truth is that we hope that candidates that we have will fill the holes that existed.

    DT: We hope that Kelly and Armstead can succeed better than Love and Deaderick.

    DE/OLB: We hope that Ninkovich is a solid DE and that we get a pass rush from some backup. As you say there are lots of candidates. Why not add Benard and Buchanan?

    coverage LB: We hope that someone will step forward: Fletcher, Collins and/or Wilson.

    S: We hope that someone steps up to be a starting safety upgrade over Gregory.

    CB: We hope that the corners stay healthy and out of jail.

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    AB my brother I said competitive not a playoff team. I agree in that division they are unlikely to make the playoffs, but I could see them going 8-8 and be a tough matchup for a lot of teams, mainly because of their defense.


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    I think the hope was that we could fully take advantage of Ninkovich as more of a rotational player who wouldn't have to start full time at DE, where he could excel at his specialty even more without being exposed to any of his weaknesses.

    The DL has been a concern of mine for a long while now, and for me that is one of our bigger team weaknesses behind only the position of WR.

    That said, if Belichick didn't want to budge on the compensation then I'd have to guess that he knows what he's talking about--or at least we'll hope like hell that he got this one right, but there certainly could've been and still can be, an improvement on the defensive line in one/two players; at least in a position of depth at the very least.

    Other than that, I agree with your optimism for the defense this year. I think that between any/all of Collins, Fletcher, and A.Wilson we should be able to improve upon the role of coverage LB. I also think the secondary is in a better place starting from day one if we can avoid injuries and as mgteich said--keep our players out of jail.
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    I think it's fairly reasonable to assume an improvement in record and play out in ARZ. As you said, we aren't talking playoffs but reasonable improvement.

    KC is another team that I'd think some realistic improvement can be expected with.
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    From the start of the 2012-13 NFL Season, the following defensive tackles were under contract by the New England Patriots:

    Ron Brace
    Brandon Deaderick
    Kyle Love
    Myron Pryor

    The four aforementioned defensive tackles have been subsequently cut.

    Meanwhile, Steve Gregory and Marquice Cole, defensive flops in the AFC Championship Game, are still under contract. :confused3:
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    This always looked like the Brian Winters situation from last year. I never saw a quote from him about wanting to get anything done, and the longer time went, the more unlikely it seemed. He probably just wanted to hit the golf courses in Arizona more than sit through a New England winter. He obviously doesn't care about rings, he never did. Not surprised, though if he had succumbed and bought in to play here, I'd have been ecstatic.
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    Cole's a bottom of the roster, ST-except for emergencies, type of player, so I'm not sure why you'd care about him being on the roster.

    As for Gregory, take a look at his contract and you'll find a reason for his still being on the team.
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