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A very interesting take on spygate by John Czarnecki

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  1. SVN

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    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7333810

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    Wow!!

    Wow!!!!!
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    The story needs to die and that just may be why. There is no doubt other teams were involved in similar things.
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    Why should the Pats be martyrs for the league? If we lose a 1st rounder, other teams should be exposed too.
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    Our first round draft pick was taken away, our reputation smeared, and now reports are coming out that more other teams might involved in similar activities and you want this to die?

    I don't!

    If the Pats took the high road by keeping quiet and suffer this humilation (crappy NY papers frigging put a * on our records??), then the story must be told.
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    where's espn now ?
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    iam sure peter king will pick this up:rolleyes:
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    We had our chances to expose them, I'll bet, and we chose not to. And Manjudas chose to expose us. That's it. No one is going to go on a league-wide witchhunt based on stuff that happened in past years..
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    The language to look at here is "Belichick will tell you," which is different from "Belichick told me," or "said directly." Makes me wonder about the guy's sources, and - if true - why more hasn't been said about this instead of hinted at by a few reporters here and there. :confused:
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    iam sure BB hasnt told him anything. But fox's jay glayzer is the one got the original tape so they might have some insight info.
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    Czarnecki is, IMO, the best NFL reporter. As a reporter, not a columnist, he avoids the wild speculation and innuendo so common to pseudo columnists like Peter King. he has impeccable sources working as the main info guy for Fox NFL Sunday. He presents his info with subtlety and in an understated fashion. Czarnecki likely got this info from Jimmy Johnson, BB's friend, with whom Czarnecki works closely.
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    Hey - stop knocking on Mr. King!! I think he is doing us a huge favor by bringing up the spygate scandal every other week that gets the Pats fired up against every opponent.

    Keep it going Mr. King!!

    :rolleyes:
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    Both Czarniecki and Pasquarelli seem to provide good info when they just report info, but their writing is so poor that I find myself skimming through columns even if I have an interest in them.
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    This actually makes alot of sense. It did kinda seem strange that once the NFL got the tapes, this whole story got knocked of the table so fast. Even Sirus's NFL station (owned by the NFL) stopped talking about basically overnight.

    It would make sense that we had the goods on lots of teams and politely said "It's in your best interest to kill this story now" as we handed the tapes over. I never had a had a problem with King's whole premise that this died a quick death, only his "holier then thou" attitude and insinuations that we were doing more.
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    Anyone email this to Peter King and Gregg Easterbrook?
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    maybe pats had the tapes the jets and other teams taped and were confiscated when they did it in foxboro and provided or obliged to provide it as suppose to blow the whistle to get the so called suspension of BB ignored.
    We will never know.
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    How come we don't hear more about the slick ball in the Buffalo/Dallas game. Now that's cheating.
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    or WEEI to start the story
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    Are you guys just figuring this all out now. This is why Mangini will always be known as a class "A" snitch for the remainder of his short lived coaching career

    Here are some of the sequence of events that lead to Belichick disliking Mangini.

    - Belichick recommends Mangini wait a year and go for a better head coaching job. Belichick stresses that the organization is a mess and the NY papers will eventually run you out of town if you fail. Belichick tells Mangini he would prefer it if he goes to a non-division rival. Mangini ignores him and takes the job.

    - The Patriots lose the division playoff game to the Denver Broncos. On the flight back, Mangini tries recruiting players as he knows he will become the Jets HC. Word is Willie M had to tell Mangini to keep his $%$ing mouth shut.

    - Patriots are in a difficult situation with Deion Branch as he elects not to honor his contract. Patriots hear rumblings that the NY Jets would welcome Branch and meet his asking price even though the Jets were all set at the wideout position and needed players at other positions. Patriots end up losing Branch to the Seahawks as the Jets drive up the price. Patriots lose the AFC championship on a team that clearly could have used Branch.

    The guy is an absolute scumbag....and a hypocrite to boot.
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    That's exactly what the "unnamed source" told Peter King, but he completely misinterpreted it to mean there was more on the PATRIOTS.

    Pete believed what he wanted to believe.
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    Wouldn't it be great if Kraft sent Peter King a Super Bowl ring in gratitude after the season? :D
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    That moron Peter King and Easterbrook need to realize THIS is why the story died so fast, once the NFL realized how prevalent this was and how excessive the Patriots punishment would appear the longer this dragged on.
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    Please elaborate. where did you hear this?
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    we are just reading what some guy is writing. You guys jump at articles which people write about how the pats cheated, well this is the other side.
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    I heard the exact same thing, along with Mangini recruiting coaches and stealing NE's background on Jet players, particularly Pennington.

    It wasn't BB just being a jerk that caused them to have Mangini removed from the stadium by security,
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    This is what I thought all along to be honest. Its like, you dont want to be there when they make the sausage. The NFL couldn't penalize everyone, but does anyone really think BB was caught with his pants down and the only one doing it?
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    Goodell made a snap decision based on either his lack of knowledge or the advice of someone with an agenda.

    The decision was wrong and the punishment was overkill. Heavy handed, bad leadership.
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    Unfortunately, unles Czar provides more information and/or states his information comes from someone who knows for sure within the league or Patriots; I can't hold anymore weight to his comments than I do the rumors that the Pats taped the Rams' walkthroughs or miked the d-linemen.

    That said, I wouldn't be surprise that with Belichick being so metriculous at compiling information on everything that one of those things wasn't intel on other teams cheating.

    Personally, I would rather have this go away all together. At this point, no one is going to be punished anymore based on information the league already has. The evidence has been destroyed so if there was evidence of other teams cheating it is gone too. What is there to gain by keeping this going?
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    This comes from a fan of the pussies that have to play their home games in a dome so that they can control elevated crowd noise and elevated temperature. F off Colts18287.
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