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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.I proposed a similar trade a few threads ago based on a few positions that we have depth at and there are reasons to do so. It involves Andrews, not Stork. I thought Andrews outplayed Stork last season but they threw Stork back in anyway and he was not as good as 2014 but BB obviously prefers him.did you just suggest giving up a superbowl winning center under his rookie contract for a third round pick?
Yes, I'm sure that Belichick would be less likely to part with a guy like Stork, who happens to be very cheap on a rookie deal. That makes all the difference in the world in terms of "value."
Unless Belichick and company know something that we don't (serious injury, etc), I couldn't imagine this being anything of a possibility.
Just so I understand it, you're proposing trading our starting center for a potential #2/3 RB or #2/3 WR, or #3/4 options at DL, corner, and tackle?
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Marcus Cannon as a potential trade bait for the Browns. They lost their starting right tackle to free agency and right tackle is Cannon's best position. He had a mediocre (at best) season in 2015, which might lessen his appeal but I think he should at least be considered. In addition to losing their starting center and right tackle, the Browns also lost their two top WR's (Travis Benjamin to free agency and Josh Gordon to another failed drug test).
You lost me at trade Stork, id rather see what Dante can do with him.
I'm surprised that nobody mentioned Marcus Cannon as a potential trade bait for the Browns. They lost their starting right tackle to free agency and right tackle is Cannon's best position. He had a mediocre (at best) season in 2015, which might lessen his appeal but I think he should at least be considered. In addition to losing their starting center and right tackle, the Browns also lost their two top WR's (Travis Benjamin to free agency and Josh Gordon to another failed drug test).
I proposed a similar trade a few threads ago based on a few positions that we have depth at and there are reasons to do so. It involves Andrews, not Stork. I thought Andrews outplayed Stork last season but they threw Stork back in anyway and he was not as good as 2014 but BB obviously prefers him.
No matter how many picks Cleveland trades around for, they still have too many holes to fill. That is plain fact. Their FA period was a bust. They lost talent and did not return any. Players that were looking for a new home are skeptical with an Owner who might be indicted, a new coaching staff and baseball analytic guys who have never been in Football pulling the strings on roster tendencies. Most of all, the losing culture and some scary players like Manzeil and Josh Gordon who drag the Team down.
I applaud them going for "BOB" . If Jackson can get the kid going again and have him buy into being a professional, he has talent. But by the time the off season is under full swing if you have a Team of 25 or so rookies (I am including UDFA which without doubt they will reach for) it is a tough Team for the Fan Base to root for.
Trade parameters:
C Andrews , OG Josh Kline, WR Dobson and 6th Round pick #196 from the Patriots
in exchange for:
4th Round pick #100, 5th Round pick #141 and CB Justin Gilbert
Why:
Patriots:
The Pats have four players capable of playing the Center position and they valued Stork over Andrews
Kline got a raise last season. He played well in the beginning of the season but faded. Cooper has a higher upside and he Mason and Jackson are younger.
Dobson got pushed down the depth chart by Hogan and Washington. He is on the last year of his contract anyway.Wat too many injuries in his years here even if he is healthy now. He needs a fresh start. I think the Pats will opt to Draft a WR and there are still better veteran players sitting at home right now like Bolden.
The Pats do not have a 4th or 5th Round pick so the board flexibility in those Rounds are dead. We do have 4 picks in the 6th though.
As they are hoping to resurrect Cooper's career, Gilbert would be potentially the most talented CB on the Pats with a failing career that needs to be revitalized. A top 7 first Round pick has to have some value. Can the Pats get it out of him? Think Talib II.Talib's career was going south until BB.
We have deep depth at Guard and Center. Not so much depth a CB.
Bill knows that he might have to lose one or more of these kids from the 2016 roster.
Gilbert is on his last year of contract. He's gone in 2017 if he does not work out.
Browns:
Cam Erving might not be the best choice at C.
If they can get two starters off a Championship Team such as the Pats, it might help the locker room.
Andrews won all 9 games he started for the Pats. He is a proven winner not some third string JAG last year.
Kline is an Ohio kid. He has worked to stay on this squad. He might have been the best O Lineman early last year but we have better talent on the way. He is also a proven starter on a Championship caliber Team.
Dobson is a throw in but a value for the Browns. A second rounder who has had some good games. His second round failings are kind of inline with the failings of Gilbert, They both get new homes to start fresh. The Browns are desperate for some WR help.
The Browns have 12 picks. Not all will be starters. Andrews and Kilne can be. They get two starters from a Championship Team who are young and even if they pick OL in the Draft, depth is accomplished with this Trade.
Gilbert has wore out his welcome. Get something for a failed first rounder makes sense.
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Huh? Stork is 4th round pick who is a good center. Jackson was a 4th round pick who actually was in the field as a rookie.No more fsu I linemen please. Two is enough. Actually one and a half since Jackson stunk like a turd in the back half of the year.
I know thy come from a system identical to ours, but time to look at other schools.
Nice work on the proposal, but Gilbert has been awful, just awful. He has a lack of focus, a poor work ethic, and has looked completely lost on the football field. I'm not sure that he'd be a good fit here.