Since your response could perhaps lead to a Political discussion I moved my response to the PATsFans.com Political forum. Interesting screen name, Covet , like covert operations? Yes in todays world, England of course, trade unions and socialism are linked politically. I was involved in the establisment of a Union in my early years. As far as the people who started that union there was no political agenda. Now the Organized Union that we contacted to help us with the task may have had a politcal adgenda but the people did not. That union was a result of unfair pratices by management. So Left wing or Socialism had really no part with that union and from my school days I always thought of socialism as a method of governing a country. Anyway, your statement caused me to wonder about the two so I did a little research. In England and the US, Unions actually came before socialism. In fact in the early days in England, Socialism opposed Trade Unions. As time went on those concepts became politically linked and the results is what you have today. The NFL Players Association is not socialistic structure nor is any of it's demands a basis for assuming it is socialism. The use of the word "socialism" in the post of that thread that first used the word socialism was not appropriate and was only used for effect.