Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by patsfan13, Feb 9, 2007.
Now if they could repeal withholding so folks would have to write a check to pay their taxes.....
I've always hated how the usual modus operandi is overwithholding taxes and then giving people a "return". Not that the Nov deadline is a good practical idea, but I do support reminding the taxpayers how much they're paying.
Indeed. And separate ones for Medicare, Federal, State, Social Security so we see how much is going to each place. Additionally add the employer part of SS to the salary and have the employee pay that too so he sees the full 12.4% that's being taken every paycheck.
So few people know that employers pay matching med and SS taxes. It so blows. I can see Patters complaining that poor people wouldn't be able to pay. That doing so would be an attack on poor people or something.
The sad thing is, witholdings are probably necessary because most people do so badly at saving that they would likely spend all the money and have nothing left to pay the taxes.
look at the Repubs here flock to a red meat issue like taxes... everyone knows Democratic politicians generally favor increased taxes to pay for universal needs... so lets move it to election day and get everyone to vote Republican while it's fresh in their minds! hooray!
what a Rovian tactic, if there ever was one...
keep avoiding the real issues, keep crying for bipartisan cooperation, yet keep adding to the divide out the other side of your collective mouths... bravo!!!
But the government could then take their stuff, freedom, and lives if they aren't able to pay up! Think about it. The government could have even more auctions of people's stuff, build more jails to incarcerate the dangerous criminal, break up their families, and if they don't go peaceful-like...kill them! Problem solved! It's so-o-o-o-o Malthusian it gives me a little chubber!
I am not a republican and yet this sounds like a great start...so how do you explain that?...huh?...huh?...
You like taxes? How much do you pay as a % of your income? Do you think the government does a good job of spending your money?
Taxes are necessary for infrastructure and a myriad of other things that i don't even need to explain...
but, what does the necessary tax evil have to do with moving it to November before elections?
They're necessary for infrastructure and national defense. Not for most of the BS, like retirement plans that cost us 12.4% each year, or Viagra for old men. There's absolutely no reason for me be buying Grandpa's Viagra.
What an idiot.
I don't think kids who have a paper route pay taxes Wistah.
Oh, but please do explain. That's why he posed the question. We'd like to know what you feel taxes should be spent on, and why.
Had a tenant come in today and tell me he couldn't pay his $100 portion of his rent, for a 3rd month in a row, because he had to go to Puerto Rico. So as of March 1st, it'll be 4 months owed. Nothing like a winter trip to Puerto Rico though.
My list is :
National Defense - obviously.
Roads, Bridges, Airports, etc - obviously.
Schools - If you don't you end up with the unfairness/lack of opportunity argument.
Homeless Centers - No rent for apartments but I'd be OK with big dorm style centers where people can go to get warm. Nothing fancy though.
I may have forgotten something obvious but that's the list that springs to mind for me.
I think you need to do a little more than that. The obvious is police, fire, judicial, jails, schools, defense, roads, etc.
where you would begin to get some debate on existence by some, and extent by others, would be welfare, SS, foreign aide, etc.
I have no problem with a welfare system/program, I just have a problem with it's size and extent. With SS, I like the concept of having something mandated like SS is, but it needs an overhaul for darn sure.
we can debate what taxes are useful and what are useless until pigs fly, or until the Jets win the Super Bowl... but that's not really what the thread is about, now is it?...
the thread is a ploy to move tax time to a date that benefits Republican electoral agenda, pure and simple...
Maybe that guys idea was aimed at doing that, but the thread isn't. The thread began as a post of one congressmans idea, and then morphed into a discussion of taxes. I understand you have an agenda, and actual sense and discussion don't rely comply with it. If you'd like to enter our discussion regarding taxes, their withholding, and expenditure, feel free at any time. If you don't want to, which I'm somewhat certain you don't, then go back to one of those other illogical partisan threads that the more sensible don't frequent.
Yes, police, fire, courts I forgot. I had the others though.
oh, so it "morphed" and i stuck to the thread topic? i see...
curious, are those smileys supposed to excuse how much of an assh0le you consistently are?
anyhow, i do believe the thread started with this:
Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD) has proposed HR 77 (HR 442 in the 109th Congress) to move the 15 April deadline for filing federal income taxes to the first Monday in November, making Tax Day the day before Election Day. Says Bartlett, ‚ÄúIt just made sense to me that having the most visible price of government at the top of their mind at this time would be valuable and useful information. That‚Äôs just what moving the tax-filing deadline to the first Monday in November, one day before Election Day, would do.‚ÄĚ
and yet you're sitting here *****ing because i didn't follow the thread detour you wanted... lol... i mean, i know it's common practice for you and your agenda-driven allies here to go off topic all the time and deflect from the unflattering practices of your heroes, but i usually try to stay on topic for what a thread-starter presents...
one thing you WON'T be doing, coward, is dictating where i will go when i don't follow YOUR detour... i'll post right here, as long as i like, and i'll stay on topic as long as i like... got it?
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