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    Is America becoming more secular?

    From where I sit, I'd say it is.

    But....and a big BUT too....

    I don't want any of our gov't branches at any level attempt to speed up the process. If it's a function of evolution, then fine, let it happen at a natural rate.

    But don't pass any laws or change anything that encourages secularism to prosper. Freedom of religion is far more important than the evolution of American society.

    Besides, our gov't has no business in trying to influence what our society is or is not. That is purely a function of "We, the people..."

    And that folks, is my thought for today!
     
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    Yes, but government itself should always strive to be strictly secular.
     
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    Of course...isn't that why we have "separation of church & state"?
     
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    I think America is growing up a bit. People are beginning to accept, for example, that homosexuality is physiologically determined, that recreational drug use is more a health issue vs. criminal matter, etc. We're finally catching up to the Europeans in terms of social maturity.
     
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    I agree we're growing up....but I wouldn't want to use Europe as our benchmark. I don't see them as being any more mature culturally than we are Tune.

    Our society is by far the most complex society on this earth. So any comparison to any other country is irrelevant in my opinion.

    But the purpose of this thread is to discuss moving toward a more secular society vs. a religious based society.

    For example, when I was a child, almost everyone went to church services. Christmas was more religion-based than it is now....just 2 examples.
     
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    "Growing up"......lol. I just love the arrogance and the ignorance of that statement.

    Homosexuality.....physiologically determined. Really? Show me the science.
     
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    Do you honestly believe homosexuality is a choice?
     
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    Europe is a model for complete failure........a pyramid scheme of the worst sort. near zero population growth is requiring those countries to lose their cultural identity through needed immigration to imitate any kind of economic growth

    Europe

    entitlements along with an aging population is a disaster.

    but back to secularity.....yes....this country muct be secular.....maybe the puritans can find another planet
     
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    A homosexual inclination is a disorder. I believe if someone has this disorder that it is not a choice. That being said, the inclination can be psychological in nature or physiological in nature. I believe it is a psychological disorder.
    That being said, I am open to what science tells us...actual science.

    So again, I'll ask.....what scientific evidence do we have that demonstrates that homosexual inclinations are strictly physiological?
     
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    Wait a second.......a "DISORDER"????????

    Can it be covered by insurance?
     
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    It should be as far as I'm concerned. Agaian, I'll ask....do we have conclusive scientific evidence to prove that homosexual inclinations are strictly physiological in nature or is this just secular/progressive "faith"...lol
     
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    In mourning,
    Let us pray,
    Oh lord bring us back, bring us back to the days of America The Beautiful, don't let these progressive crazy bastards with their sex obsessions, their filthy racist music and all the rest of their rotten socialist communist shlt take our country over, I beseech thee oh Lord Jesus God please save us.
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    Here you go, smart guy. But somehow I'm not confident that you're the type who values scientific information.

    Brain Study Shows Differences Between Gays, Straights - washingtonpost.com

    Quoting: Some scientists say the new findings are part of an increasingly convincing body of evidence that suggests sexual orientation results from fundamental developmental differences that are probably caused by hormonal exposures in the womb.
     
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    This, finally. After 250+ years of puritanical, guilt-ridden, "thou shalt NOT (insert what you like)!" societal sado-masochism. I've had quite enough of others' self-righteous moral usurping of my fundamental right to live in peace, and an equal shot at EVERYTHING that society has to offer. That's why I don't vote republican.

    My personal bigotries ought not to infringe on your personal liberties any more than yours on mine.

    Fair enough?
     
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    Obviously you didn't read the whole article, "genius". From your own article:


    "But such research is fraught with uncertainty, and it could not rule out that the findings were the result of changes that occurred in response to experiences and behaviors, rather than being inborn".

    "It takes a snapshot of a group of people at a particular age," said Anne Fausto-Sterling, a professor of biology and gender studies at Brown University. "Even if there are reliable brain differences, it doesn't tell you anything about how those brain differences came into being."


    Well, so much for "conclusive".
     
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    So, when did you decide your sexual affiliation? conclusively?
     
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    I didn't "decide" my sexual inclination and if you read what I said, I clearly said that true sexual inclination was not a choice.
    But again....where is the science to demonstrate it conclusively?
     
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    Sorry, could not find where you said that. Truthfully, I only read 3/7 of the thread.
    :bricks:
     
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