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  1. Rob0729

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    For all you Chicken Littles out there I want to point you to several facts of the last four years:

    On December 1, 2005, Pittsburgh were 8-4 coming off back to back loss including a 26-7 loss to Indy.

    On December 10, 2006, the Colts finished a streak losing 3 out of 4 games including a 44-10 loss to Jacksonville and went on to have statistically the worst run defense in NFL history.

    On December 1, 2007, the Giants were 6-5 coming off a 41-17 loss to the Vikes.

    On December 1, 2008, the Cards were 7-5 and coming off a 48-20 loss to the Eagles.

    What do all these teams have in common other than not looking like strong Super Bowl contenders entering December? They all won the Super Bowl (except the Card who came close to winning the Super Bowl, but lost it in the final two minutes of the game) in the years listed eventhough all were expected to either not make the playoffs at all or be one and done once the playoffs started.

    Now this doesn't mean the Pats will win the Super Bowl, but it definitely means that the people writing them off too prematurely. Barring a total collapse the Pats will win the AFC East. Once the Pats get into the playoffs, anything can happen.
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    Good post. Hopefully, BB will read it and realize there's no need to fire O'Brien and Pees and bring Crennel and Weis back for the stretch run. :rolleyes:
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    Agreed.. there is a lot of football left..

    Who the F*ck thought the giants would even make the playoffs in 07, let alone beat the Pats in the SB after the Pats beat them in NY?
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    Thanks, Rob. Good to see something upbeat on the board. You would think the Pats are 3-8 from the tone of its fan base reflected in the posts today.
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    Get in the tournament... and see what happens...
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    Good post. I had been thinking about all of those situations.

    Certainly the season's not over and there's time to regroup. My biggest concerns at this point are:

    1. The Pats have no pass rush. That's a huge flaw which will be hard to overcome or disguise come playoff time.

    2. The Pats still haven't played a 60 minute game, executed effectively in the red zone, or won a true road game this year.

    3. The Pats have fallen flat in 4 of their biggest contests this season.

    Those things don't bode well for us. But, as you say, there's no reason to panic at this stage.
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    Sensible post. It's not over until it's over.

    The one big thing we have in our favor is that it's Brady back there, and you never rule him out. it's not like we have an one and out QB.
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    Tru say. Alot can change between now and January.

    Who here wouldn't want another shot at the Colts? We should have beat them.

    The only team we have reason to not feel confident against is the Saints, and we may not even have to see them if we do get to the bowl.
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    Haven't you been paying attention Sean????

    One and done.

    I, personally, have read that nostradamusism 10 times--and that's only today!

    Try to keep up.
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    Nice try to get our hopes up Rob and another one is the fact that the NFC Champion Cardinals got crushed by nearly 40 points against the Patriots last december and was the last game they lost prior to the big game IIRC.
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    Anything can happen. I love our 'perspective' after we loose.

    Did we have good perspective after Cassel's year?????
    After we don't make far in the playoff in this season, we still have 'perspective' for next year.

    The bottom line is the perspective is always there even though we can't do sh!t about it years after years.

    Is it GREAT or what?

    YES, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN ------> NO, WE STILL CAN'T DO SH!T. Please make a thread so that we can talk about 'perspective', 'hope', or whatever to make you feel good after we loose years after years.
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    Why don't you go to the Practice Squad and make that thread yourself. Maybe others with your passionate total lack of perspective not to mention grasp of fundamental grammer will join you there and create the kind of dynamic that forum was supposedly designed to foster...
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    They all had 2 important things in common that we don't have:

    Dynamic pass rushers that constantly put pressure on QBs.
    Smart coordinators
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    Really?!? The Cards had 22nd ranked pass defense last year. They were 14th in sacks. In 2007, the Giants were 17th in opposing QB's QB rating and 17th in points allowed. In 2006, Indy was 30th in sacks with 25.
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    The facts really do paint a different picture, don't they.

    I saw last night was a lost cause pretty early on, but in no way do I plan on bagging the rest of the season. No way are we anywhere near as bad as we looked last night. A little perspective is good for all of us.
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    Rob is spot-on. Pats go 12-4. Get 1st round bye. Dolts fold in the divisionals. Vikes knock off the Saints and the Pats play Mr. Turnover Favre in the SB.

    Pats still have 5 more games to improve on D, running game and passing game.

    I can live with that.
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    This season is over in terms of winning a Superbowl. It is now time to discuss when to let Belichick go. Just like a gambler at the craps table in Vegas his run is over.

    I know it stings the senses to read that but deep down you know it is true. The failures are mounting.

    1) Spy Gate
    2) AFCCG loss to Colts after being up 18 points.
    3) SB loss to Giants who were 14 point underdogs
    4) Wild Cat melt down to Dolphins and thus lost division title.
    5) 4th and 2
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    Who would you like to replace him? No one is as good as BB, hes the best in the business.

    3 out of the 5 took place on the field and BB has no control over those.

    This is ridiculous. We might as well release Brady too, his failures are mounting too
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  19. Rob0729

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    LOL! Only in New England would people call going to the AFC Championship game one year and the Super Bowl the next as failures. I can think about 28-29 other teams who wished they had such coaching failures on their teams.

    Seriously put down the mouse and step away from the keyboard.
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    Cardinals didn't win the SB so I don't know why you included them in your post. My post was specifically meant for Pitt, Indy, and NY.

    As for your stats, coming into the game last night, our defense was ranked third. But that doesn't really paint the whole picture does it?

    The teams the Colts were facing knew that Freeney was coming and got rid of the ball early. Just by Freeney's presence, the other teams' pass offense got disrupted. Now you can look at the sack totals, but you're not going to see the number of hurries Freeney and Mathis forced.

    You're going to look at the 07 Giants based how effective their defense was based on that stat? Did you see any of their games from December on?
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    I don't care if it gets me banned from this place for what that's worth lately but you're nothing but a moronic malcontent frontrunning resident troll and that's all you've ever been since the day you arrived here.

    That Ian has continued to cater to the likes of you and a dozen or so more like you who only show up to gloat in defeat is part of what sucks about this board these days.
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    Let's not fight amongst ourselves and call each other names, we aren't Jets fans
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    1---They have a weak pass rush if I remember they did get a sack last night...and while I agree they need a BETTER pass rush..using Brees and Manning as games they needed a pass rush against is misleading..neither, Manning not Brees have been sacked that much..lowest in the league or close. SO look at other games, not these losses.
    2---They did against tennesse...Tampa Bay..NOT against others..Baltimore.??? They were better in the Red Zone back that haunts them..I agree. Won a true road game? True..they haven't but 3 of those 4 were against what are/were the elite teams. Yes, Denver at that point was 4-0...so elite at that time. One would also have to consider the Jets/Denver as having Brady being rusty returning...so the conetion of losing road games as something special means a lot less..if nothing..wait until the lose in Mia, Buffalo Hous befoe making a statement like that.
    3---Not sure what games you were watching.."fallen flat"..yesterday..yes..the Colts?? No...not at all in fact they outplayed the Colts..Denver? NY? the team did not fall flat..and playing Atlanta and Baltimore were not big games that they played strong??
    Good perspective..and this was a BIG embarrassment..with te team playing really its worst in a long while. So..anything can happen..still...Good that you brought that up so many can see possibilities of past teams that went places...
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    The Cardinals got to the Super Bowl eventhough being 6-5 one year ago today. I think that is pretty relevant to the discussion that the Pats are still in it.

    You are reaching about the Colts. Again, the Colts had THE WORST RUN DEFENSE IN NFL HISTORY that year. I think that is bigger deficit than a lack of a pass rush since if teams could run all over the Colts (they were giving up a massive 173 YPG), you keep Manning off the field. If you can't stop the run in the playoffs, you are dead. The Colts miraculously found a run defense the first playoff game.

    As for the Giants, I did see their games from December on. That is why those numbers stand out because they were significantly worse from September through November and they flipped a switch on in December. Why can't the Pats do the same thing? In 2005, the Pats flipped the switch on a pass rush mid game with the Chiefs and went from a mediocre pass rush to a dominant pass rush the last month of the season.

    So both the Colts and Giants flipped a switch and turned their defenses around late in the season or in the playoffs. The Pats may or may not be able to do that. They have history of doing it in the past. So it isn't out of the question. We will have to wait and see.
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    Excellent post and it shows how a blowout loss is no more significant than any loss.

    I felt we lost the game at the end of Q1 and in Q2. It should have been tied at halftime, when you consider the bad INT (at least 3 points there), the missed PI on Welker (4 points), and the missed FG (3 points). We go into the half tied, with the ball to open the 2nd half, and who knows what would have happened? I still think we lose because the defensive backfield wasn't mentally up to the challenge last night, but it would have been a much better game.

    So just a few breaks is what turned it into a rout.

    Our opponents in the AFC are a lot more beatable than NO is right now. We still have a decent shot at getting to the SB, and the D will be a lot better than they showed last night.
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    Amen to that, brother. Rabthepat and NEPatriot are two of the worst posters this site has ever seen.
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    Finally someone who is talking positive! Great post Rob!
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    How do you get 4 points in football? Two back to back safeties?
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    Belichick is so bad that he coached a team to the first ever 16-0 regular season record (and brought in the players to accomplish that feat). He's so bad he coached a team to an 11-5 record (a playoff team in 95% of other seasons) after losing their most valuable player 7 minutes into the season and replacing him with a guy who hadn't started a game since high school.

    That Belichick, he's finished. Let's call Dick MacPherson and see if he wants to finish out this obviously doomed season.
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    I don't think you should sugar-coat it so much.
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