A Football Puzzle for Gurus

[Deec77]

Re: A Football Puzzel for Gurus

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Originally Posted by Deec77
If the ruling on the field was a touchdown. Defense HC challenges the ruling of a TD not a catch therefore the catch itself never came into question. and yes the offensive coach would have the chance to revisit declining the penalty after the call on the field is overturned.

So the only really info you would need to answer would be down and distance.



What if it was 4 down? Wouldn't you want a new set of downs?

the original question starts, "WR goes deep and is covered man on man."

If the WR is going deep and makes a catch. It is now 1st down.

Very good missed the going deep part Take it a the 2.

~Dee~

 

[borg]

Very good missed the going deep part Take it a the 2.

~Dee~

Unless it was 4th and goal from the 49

 

[Deec77]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Deec77
Very good missed the going deep part Take it a the 2.

~Dee~

Unless it was 4th and goal from the 49

Thanks for the save Borg! Good point still need down and distance.

~Dee~

 

[SoxPatsFaninIndy]

I think I confused myself in all of the mess, but if the receiver is the first person to touch the ball after he stepped out of bounds, then don't we have illegal touching? Would the penalties offset?

or are we saying that he juggled the ball, stepped out of bounds, but then dropped it in the end zone?

 

[JR4]

I think I confused myself in all of the mess, but if the receiver is the first person to touch the ball after he stepped out of bounds, then don't we have illegal touching? Would the penalties offset?

or are we saying that he juggled the ball, stepped out of bounds, but then dropped it in the end zone?

In the original situation, it was suppose to be that the WR caught the ball in
bounds but stepped out of bounds ( like on the line ) as he went in for the TD. The interference came before he caught the ball on the 5 yd line.

 

[Rob0729]

I guess on it's face you take it at the 2 yard line. Personally, there is not enough info to make the correct decision. Did the receiver catch the ball in bounds or out of bounds after the play us overturned? I assume that if he caught it in bounds at the 2 that it would be enough for a first down since you said it was a deep pass (but a couple of personal fouls could make a down something like 1st and goal at the 39).

Mo is right that if the play is overturned in replay, the team gets to decide again whether they want to accept the penalty or not. They would accept the PI call. So that would be the decision if the ball was determined caught out of bounds by the replay.

 

[JR4]

I guess on it's face you take it at the 2 yard line. Personally, there is not enough info to make the correct decision. Did the receiver catch the ball in bounds or out of bounds after the play us overturned?........).
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Yes ... if you re-read the initial post you see the WR did catch the ball in
bounds but stepped out of bounds as he went for the TD.

Does it matter which down?
It only mattes if the Offense head coach can decide again to accept
the interference penalty.
Mo says, and most agree, once the original call is reverse the Offense
HC can decide again whether to accept or decline the inteference call.

so,
if it was 4th down then he must take the penalty to get 1st down again
other wise the ball turns over on downs.

if it was 3rd down or less he could still accept the penalty and have
four downs to get a TD form the 5 yd.

but
he could also decline the penalty and take the ball at the two yard line
where the WR went out of bounds. if the pass was on the 1st
down he might decline the penalty and have 3nd downs on the 2yd line.
I think most would take the penality and a new set of downs at the 5yd line.
I am sure all this is now real confusing.

Again the key to this whole puzzle (spelled it right this time )
was what Mo said, the offense HC can decide again to accept or decline
the penalty once the ruling on the field is changed.

 

[Deec77]

I guess on it's face you take it at the 2 yard line. Personally, there is not enough info to make the correct decision. Did the receiver catch the ball in bounds or out of bounds after the play us overturned? I assume that if he caught it in bounds at the 2 that it would be enough for a first down since you said it was a deep pass (but a couple of personal fouls could make a down something like 1st and goal at the 39).

Mo is right that if the play is overturned in replay, the team gets to decide again whether they want to accept the penalty or not. They would accept the PI call. So that would be the decision if the ball was determined caught out of bounds by the replay.

If you read between the lines the info is there with the exception of down and distance. The ball was caught in bounds you know this by
a: the offense declined therefore they thought it was a catch
b: ruling on the field was a touchdown therefore they thought it was a catch
c: defense challenged the touchdown not the catch once again because they thought it was a catch.
Which brings us back to downs and distance.

~Dee~

 

[JR4]

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Which brings us back to downs and distance.

~Dee~

on distance --- deep pass --- indicates the LOS was not
at the 5yd or even the 10 yd ... so what does distance have to do with
whether to accept or decline the penalty.

if it was 4th ... must accept the penalty.
and really I can't see any reason on any down to decline the penalty.

 

[Deec77]

What if the down marker was on the 1 yard line and 3rd down from the 39 as the result of penalties hence the long pass. Now it would your choice be? Take the penalty or go for it on 4th? So distance would have to factor in somewhere.

~Dee~

 

[JR4]

I still see no reason to prefer
4th and 1 or even 4th and inches over 1st and 5?
Can you really say you would?
But credit to you, Dee, for seeing a strange possibility.

(Edit: aha there is a reason: Time!. If only time for 1 play then 4th and inches makes sense!)

 

[fourthandmiles]

Unless it was 4th and goal from the 49

Noodle Arm was the QB so this would never happen.

 

[Deec77]

I still see no reason to prefer
4th and 1 or even 4th and inches over 1st and 5?
Can you really say you would?
But credit to you, Dee, for seeing a strange possibility.

(Edit: aha there is a reason: Time!. If only time for 1 play then 4th and inches makes sense!)

I think your misunderstanding the point I was trying to make.
I think most here are assuming that the catch would have resulted in a first down therefore you would decline the penalty.

on distance --- deep pass --- indicates the LOS was not
at the 5yd or even the 10 yd ... so what does distance have to do with
whether to accept or decline the penalty.

So my second senerio illustrates why you would need distance to make the right call Either you would have the ball on the 2nd yard line with a new set of downs or except the penalty at the 5 with a new set of downs.

~Dee~

 

[JoeSixPat]

Here's one more Football Puzzle for Gurus

Let's say Richard Seymour sacks an opposing QB.

How much will Roger Goodell make him pay in fines?

 

[NJPatsfan26]

Here's one more Football Puzzle for Gurus

Let's say Richard Seymour sacks an opposing QB.

How much will Roger Goodell make him pay in fines?

He hires a ex-delta marine to kill Seymour in his sleep and then fines BB 2 Million, the 1st thru 5th picks in the Draft in 09.

I am thinking that would be fitting....

 

[Leave No Doubt]

Here's one more Football Puzzle for Gurus

Let's say Richard Seymour sacks an opposing QB.

How much will Roger Goodell make him pay in fines?

........... Good one.

This is a great thread btw!