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    I think rookies making more then veteran players suck. Some kid who has never played an nfl game making more the pro bowl players because he is a high draft pick. The draft needs its own pay scale.
    Second , the fran. tag sucks. Cassel base pay for 2009 could be 14.6 million. Bradys base pay is 5 million(plus 3million bonus on Feb. 27th) Brady has been with the Patriots 9 years , 4 super bowls and is headed for the Hall of Fame. He took less in 2005 so the Patriots could pay other players. Now a guy, who did better then anyone could of hoped, is making almost 3 times as much in base pay. Casel has won all of 11 games.
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    Solutions? The franchise tag was made to benefit the team no the player. If they're going to be able to hang on to him for another year after his contract expires then he needs to be compensated assuming top market value.

    The market dictates what rookies are worth. If they're a better player or worth more to a team than a veteran then they are going to be paid more.
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    The only way you know they are a better play is college play. When a team has a high draft pick they have no choice but to pay what the normal pay is for that position in the draft.
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    Do you really believe that Cassel will be paid 14.6 million for 2009??? Not arguing the equity issue, or lack thereof, but confident that Cassel will be signed somewhere longterm for less than this.
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    Could not agree more:agree::agree::agree:
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    1) The draft has its own pay scale. The problem is that it starts out REALLY HIGH and then gets small really quickly. Does it need to be changed? Yes. Will it? Probably not.

    2) As for the franchise tag, your comparison is what sucks. You totally ignore the amount of money Brady has already gotten and act like his base pay is the only money Brady has ever earned. Also, that 14.65 million is ALL salary. No bonus. Also, Brady didn't take less. He restructured his contract, having salary changed into bonus money so that the Patriots could spread the cap hit over the length of the contract and free up money. You're assumption here is based on a lot of misunderstandings on your part and not a lot of fact.
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    im speculating but: The rookie payscale or adjusted cap means a couple of things:
    1-rookies make less
    2-Franchise tags will be changed so teams can only franchise a player once.
    3-There will be more money for veterans. This will give teams more money to sign there stars, thus there will be less star free agents.
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    In 2005 when Brady signed the contract the players assoc. was angry with him because they feel he took less then what he should.
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    Roger Goodell has spoken about rookie salaries, calling them ridiculous after Jake Long received $30 mil guaranteed from the Dolphins last year. Before he passed away Gene Upshaw predictably did not want to agree to lowering what rookies make. If I'm a member of the NFLPA, I would want some assurance that the money really is going to be spread out to other players, and not end up simply moving from a rookie's pockets to the owners. One concern Upshaw claimed to have was that teams would cut veterans in favor of rookies simply to save money. All of this will certainly be one of the major topics in the next CBA.
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    The players' association, like every other players' association in major american sports, is led by people who are contract negotiations smart but business success stupid. By having every player squeeze out every possible penny, they accomplish 2 things:

    1.) Widen the money gap between the top and the bottom, because teams will pay for the best and go minimum the rest of the way. By not paying top end players every single possible nickel, the Patriots put themselves in position to pay middle talent players better salaries than they'd otherwise be able to get.

    2.) Limit teams in their ability to bring in talent.

    It's stupidity, but all the unions care about is the bottom line in the total, as opposed to thinking about ways to help all levels of players.
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    The rookie cap is money taken from veterans, since the total cap number remains the same. I won't be surprised to see something implemented that's more akin to what the NBA does with their slotting. Top players still get a lot of money, but it's the second contract that's most important, even for the best of the best.
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    i dont know what the solution is, but you have to think there is a problem when teams avoid drafting in the top 3-5
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    I do not recall such a thing happening.
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    Teams aren't avoiding it. They just aren't willing to trade up to it based upon perceived value. Let a Peyton Manning slide to #3-#5 and watch the feeding frenzy begin.
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