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  1. carolinatony

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    Leave it to a Pats fan to make some picks on our real needs.

    This seems like a nice draft for us. A lot of fans seem to like Tate but I would rather have a RB.
    Given BB's history I expect a trade back on one of our 2nd rounder for the next year.


    from NEpatriotsdraft.com

    27 Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
    Just like Logan Mankins, this pick couldn't get less sexy. That said, Iupati
    is an athletic big man that will instantly shore up the porous interior of the Patriot offensive line.


    47. New England (TEN) .
    Jeremy Beal, DE, Oklahoma
    Athletic DE that translates to an OLB for the Patriots.
    Should finally bring the Patriots some consistent pass-rush.

    48. New England (JAX) 6'3 - 260 lbs.
    Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan 6'2 - 263 lbs
    Oh, you want more pass rush? Brandon Graham will give you pass rush skills
    that compliment a solid run-game and a non-stop motor


    59. New England Patriots
    Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
    Tate would finally provide the true #3 Wideout that Tom Brady has been looking for since Jabar Gaffney left for Denver.


    from FF Toolbox

    Jeremy Beal, DE, Oklahoma
    He may only be a junior during the 2009 campaign, but Jeremy Beal has been a dominating pass rusher for two years with the Sooners of Oklahoma. If he opts to leave for the NFL a year early, he will likely be nearly as dominate of a force in the NFL. Even as a redshirt freshman in 2007, Beal earned a couple of starts and finished the campaign with one sack and 5.0 tackles-for-loss.
    In 2008 Beal stepped into a starting role and never looked back. He started all 14 games that season and ended up with an impressive 8.5 sacks and 15.5 tackles-for-loss. He even added 61 tackles and four pass break-ups. Everybody wanted to see if Beal could do it again in 2009 as an upperclassman and he did not disappoint. Through the regular season, Beal led the team with 11.0 sacks and 18.0 tackles-for-loss. Once again he proved that he is more than just a pass rusher and totaled 65 tackles.

    Beal has already shown that he can consistently get to the quarterback, and his production in 2009 has proven to scouts that he was not a one year wonder. If he opts to go to the NFL he may not be a first round selection, but with a good showing at the NFL Combine and in personal workouts he could be a second or third rounder very easily.


    Brandon Graham is currently the best pass rusher in the Big Ten, and one of the top four or five pass rushers in all of college football. In 40 career games, he has accumulated 40 tackles for loss and 22 sacks. Graham's biggest question mark (as far as his draft status is concerned), is what position he'll end up playing in the NFL. At 6'2 and 263 pounds he is somewhat of a "tweener". He is slightly undersized for a 4-3 defensive end and there are questions about whether or not he will be able to effectively drop into coverage if he plays as a 3-4 outside linebacker. Regardless of what position scouts see him at, he is a consensus late first round or early second round prospect. His best fit may be as a defensive end for a team that runs a version of the cover 2 defense. He isn't the biggest end, but he plays the run extremely well for his size. He does a great job of turning ball carriers back inside and right into his linebackers. Couple that with his quick first step and wide array of pass rushing maneuvers,and he is similar in a lot of ways to Robert Mathis of the Indianapolis Colts. His draft stock should continue to rise every week as he continues to make big plays for the Wolverine defense.
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    Thanks for agreeing CarolinaTony -- I really felt like that was a great draft. Couldn't decide between Austen Lane and Jeremy Beal, but felt like Beal was a bit more proven than Lane. Hardy, Lane, Romeus, Graham, Beal, any of those guys would be a great compliment to TBC.
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    I like Graham, but with Cain and possibly Burgess already on the roster, I could see BB preferring to take a bigger guy like Lane, Hardy, or Romeus. And isn't Jarvis Green likely to leave next year? When that happens we'd have a HUGE hole at 3-4 DE. I think that should be addressed before another WR.
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    I like Graham, but with Cain and possible Burgess already on the roster, I could see BB preferring to take a bigger guy like Lane, Hardy, or Romeus.


    I will be honest; I don't watch much collage ball and base this more on position and needs rather than the player. You need someone like Mayo to give you a more in depth analysis of these players.
    We need pass rushers and a OG so I would be happy with this. I can't argue which of this players would be better for us.
    RB is more of a need for us imo but WR is also a need.
    I like this draft but somehow BB will go another direction like he always does.
    I have hear Hardy is a stud but we may need to draft UP to get him.
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    I don't see Graham and Odrick falling that far. I think we better draft Graham in the first if that's the olb we target. I think we'd have to trade up to get Odrick. He might be worth it. Of course, we have to wait until the end of free-agency to see what our needs are. Could change dramaticlly if Pats sign J.Peppers.
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    I liked your draft a lot. However, to nitpick, I think that picking 27th is generous right now, and that we're more like to pick in the 21-25 range. With that in mind, I've slot us where Arizona is picking at 22 and 54, in which case I would be even happier with the following (juniors with an *):

    22. Cameron Heyward*, DE, Ohio State. 6'6" 287# guy who I think could be the next Richard Seymour at the 5 technique.

    47. Greg Romeus*, DE/OLB, Pittsburgh. 6'5" 265# monster with a non-stop motor.

    48. Gabe Carimi*, OT/OG, Wyoming. A 6'7" 325# beast who should be able to play RG or RT equally.

    54. Austen Lane, DE/OLB, Murray State. A 6'6" 260# freak with 4.6 speed and DeMarcus Ware agility (6.70 3-cone, 4.07 20 yard shuttle).

    I love Beal and Graham and would be happy with both, but I think that Lane is better suited to play in space than Graham and that Romeus and Lane offer the kind of length and athleticism that BB loves. I love Iupati, but I can't turn up the chance to get a blue chip prospect at 3-4 DE, and I think Gabe Carimi should be about as good for as at RG/RT.

    I like Golden Tate, but I still don't see what he provides that a healthy Brandon Tate shouldn't. Give B. Tate a chance before drafting another Tate.

    Short of landing Rolando McClain, that would be about as good a draft as I could imagine.
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    I have a couple of questions for you guys?

    Is it a given that BB trades back one of the 2nd rounders? There's no way I can see him using all 3 picks. I would love to see him trade up if there a difference maker we can use.

    What makes some of you want Peppers? He's making 17 mil this year for Carolina and we all know we won't pay that.
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    I don't think anything's a given with BB. It's not at all clear to me that he's going to trade back in this draft, or trade one of his 2nd round picks into 2011. He already has 2 1sts and a 2nd in 2011, and 2010 should be extremely deep.

    I could see BB standing pat, or moving around a bit within the rounds, or possibly even trading up. I could also seeing him trade back out of the 1st round if he doesn't like the values left. Anything could happen.

    As for Peppers, watch the Carolina-Minny game to see why some people want him. But I don't see how to make the money work.
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    As for Peppers, watch the Carolina-Minny game to see why some people want him. But I don't see how to make the money work.


    I see Peppers every week. He played good against the Viks BUT, he doesn't do this every week Mayo. There's a lot of games you don't see him. Most fans wanted him gone and like you say there's the $$$.
    If he played liked that every week I would want him on the Pats.
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    I don't think we trade any picks for next year. This is supposedly a good draft. We don't have a 3 and 5. So, I think we will use all of them.

    We already have two nr 1's in 2011 because of the Seymour trade. Hypothetically, let's say the Raiders really tank. We could trade down from a top 2-3 pick and stay in top 10 and pick up an extra 2. That would give us plenty of picks for next years draft.

    We are really set to have a nice 3 year run in drafts. Hopefully, the scouting dept. is on their game and pick the right guys.
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    Good stuff, I like it.

    Personally I think the Pats will sign a veteran FA at OLB/DE, likely a middle tier player that could turn into a Vrabel or end up being a stiff. Either way it will give us plenty to complain about.

    With a veteran FA on board the Patriots proceed to draft a OLB. Beal works for me. Then they focus on offensive and defensive lines with maybe a DB thrown in for good measure.

    Of course this means they will draft a QB, TE, maybe two TEs... time will tell. Amazing how popular the draft has become, used to have to wait until March to get this kind of detail. Nice work boys.
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    I wouldn't be shocked one bit if we draft J.Gresham - TE - Oklahoma. He'd be a Top 10 pick if he played this year. He hurt his knee before the season. If he passes our physical, I can see us picking him. A lot of film on him performing well in big games. Losing the season doesn't hurt him that much. ? is his knee.
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    This would be a fine draft. We would get our starting RG, #3 WR and a couple of DE's pass-rushers.

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    Do you have a link to any footage of him playing? I've read a lot of good things about him but never actually seen him play.
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    I don't, but watch the bowl game -- Draft Homework - Meineke Car Care Bowl -- and check out Romeus, Quinn/Carter (2011 DE and LB Prospects), Jonathan Baldwin ('11 WR) and more... it will be a great game to watch, talent-wise.
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    At the moment. I think it's quite likely that the Pats will fill that 3rd round gap, at least, before the second round ends. They may do it by trading away a player, or they may rearrange their picks somehow (e.g., trading two of their seconds for a higher second, a third, and a fifth).
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    Before suggesting that we trade for a third, you might consult Belichick's use of tradeable third round picks. The record is pretty dreadful.

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    BB's use of 3rd round picks for the Pats:

    2000 - J.R. Redmond - not much there.
    2001 - Brock Williams - see above.
    2002 - traded to move up for Dan Graham - decent use of the pick.
    2003 - traded pick (#75) plus 2nd round pick (#41) for #36 and #117, used to draft Eugene Wilson - decent but not great.
    2004 - Gus Scott - dreadful may be an understatement.
    2005 - Ellis Hobbs - decent but not great. 95 pick traded for John Starks - dreadful may be an understatement. Nick Kaczur was a comp pick.
    2006 - traded up for Chad Jackson, and Dave Thomas. Dreadful may be an understatement.
    2007 - traded.
    2008 - traded + Crable and O'Connell. Dreadful may be an understatement.
    2009 - traded x 2 for 2010 2nd round picks plus Brandon Tate. Too early to tell. McKenzie was a comp pick.

    "Pretty dreadful" may be an understatement.
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    Wish to hell we still had Dave Thomas on this team. John Starks was a good defender and streaky 3-point shooter, but he just didn't seem to fit into the scheme.

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