shiva2999
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Hey guys, I'm shiva2999 from the #1 Bills forum on the web, www.buffalorange.com, and I'm issuing a personal invitation to any Pats fan that wants to come over and discuss football. I have notified the board that I've become a member here and invited all of my compatriots to come over here and do the same thing. How many will take their man pills and show up is yet to be seen.
be that as it may, if you come over you will see that I have become a virtual pariah with my comrades because I have been defending Belichick and the Pats since this little piece of hilarity broke because you have been getting a raw deal.
Most Bills fans hate me for this because they'd rather wallow in "Belicheat, Belisucks, Belijerk etc" type nonsense and accuse me of being, gasp, a "bad Bills fan".
Big deal. They've been calling me that for years because I've been warning them for years about Rob Johnson/Drew Bledsoe/JP Losman and various other Bills stupidities.
And since I've been right, they hate me even more.
But so what.
So even though I've spit out thousands of words trying to explain the Cameragate hilarity to them, they just refuse to get it so I thought maybe I could come over here and get some intelligent reactions.
But before I start let me digress and give you my bona fides for what they're worth, just so you know where I'm coming from.
I am an almost 50 year NFL fan, since I first watched Jimmy Brown play for Cleveland on my parents little B&W TV.
I have also been a Bills fan since their inception in the AFL.
I have watched thousands of pro football games in my life and every NFL championship since the late 50s, AFL championships since the early 60s and every Superbowl since #1.
So I am old school (with a young outlook
).
And as such, although i have my favorite teams, I am not the new type of fan that insists you must hate and denigrate all your opponents.
I admire class and talent and balls.
I was a fan of Bart Starr's Packers, Bob Griese's Dolphins, Terry Bradshaw's steelers, Joe Montana's 49ers, Joe Gibb's Redskins and I am not ashamed to admit I am a fan of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady's Patriots.
Plus, although I never worked in the football business, I have worked in the film and TV and advertising businesses for 30 years running film crews, a job that is analogous in a lot of ways with coaching a football team.
So I know a little about how to run groups of 60 - 150 highly paid free agents to try and achieve a common goal.
And in my opinion, the Patriots do it just right.
That being done with, I thought I would post some of the most relevant things I've said about the situation, not because i want to toot my own horn, but because I think you'd enjoy what I had to say.
but before I start, I'll outline my position so you know what my most important points are.
1. Trying to crack another teams signals is a long and honored NFL tradition. Part of the game.
2. When BB or whoever gave BB the idea of using video to compile a database of coaching signals was first proposed and implemented, it WASN'T against the rules, nor was it in anyway unethical. 31 other teams were free to do the same thing.
3. The Patriots won 3 superbowls being smarter and better than everyone else and Eric Mangini was in like a dirty shirt. I don't see him offering to send his three rings back.
4. Belichick MADE Mangini's career.
5. The Jets hired Mangini specifically to get the lowdown on the Pats organization.
6. Bob Kraft supported Roger Goodell in his career and promoted him for the Commissioner's job.
7. When Mangini went to the Jets and started spreading the word that Belichick had a magic database that predicted every coaching call from now to the Rapture, the other teams **** their pants and started lobbying to get a rule stopping the Pats put in place.
8. Goodell could have done the honorable thing and told the other teams to pound sand, but realizing that 31 outvote 1, decided to screw a man that had always been kind and supportive of him to placate the losers and whiners of the league.
9. So Mangini betrayed Belichick and Goodell betrayed Kraft by inventing the no videotaping coaches rule. And Belichick and Kraft, not being the type of guys who let people screw with them, decided to fight back.
10. Thus they decided to stage the little dog and pony show at the Meadowlands. They DID IT ON PURPOSE!
Why?
1. To make a point to Goodell and the league that they are willing to defend their intellectual property (coaching and scouting strategies). And this defense includes a willingness to compromise their own reputations to embarrass Goodell and the league. Who cares about tarnished rings. This is war.
2. To ruin Mangini's career and destroy the Jets' season.
3. To provide the BEST ever motivation for the team to fight like rabid wolverines to their 4th Superbowl title.
And so far, everything has worked perfectly.
Remember, when people that have been proved clever time and again do something that looks stupid to the general onlooker, you can be sure there is something else going on.
And Belichick and Kraft are definitely not stupid guys.
They trotted Estrella out into the open and had him prance around for a reason.
They wanted to FORCE Mangini and the league to bust them.
They wanted this battle, to draw this line in the sand.
And everything that's happened in the meantime has only verified my initial opinion.
Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft are not the cheaters here.
Eric Mangini, Woody Johnson, Roger Goodell and the rest of the losers who couldn't compete on a level playing field were.
Colluding to outlaw an advantage fairly won is cheating, pure and simple.
That is why BB and Kraft decide to call everyone out.
Anyway, here are the two things I posted first about the situation that has made me Public Enemy #1 in Buffalo. Others will follow.
And good luck on Sunday. I'll be rooting for the Bills and praying for a miracle that proves JP Losman isn't Rob Johnson Jr.
9/11/2007
Newest Pats outrage - Belichick hires Kreskin and Criss Angel, NFL to investigate
and... (split for length)
be that as it may, if you come over you will see that I have become a virtual pariah with my comrades because I have been defending Belichick and the Pats since this little piece of hilarity broke because you have been getting a raw deal.
Most Bills fans hate me for this because they'd rather wallow in "Belicheat, Belisucks, Belijerk etc" type nonsense and accuse me of being, gasp, a "bad Bills fan".
Big deal. They've been calling me that for years because I've been warning them for years about Rob Johnson/Drew Bledsoe/JP Losman and various other Bills stupidities.
And since I've been right, they hate me even more.
But so what.
So even though I've spit out thousands of words trying to explain the Cameragate hilarity to them, they just refuse to get it so I thought maybe I could come over here and get some intelligent reactions.
But before I start let me digress and give you my bona fides for what they're worth, just so you know where I'm coming from.
I am an almost 50 year NFL fan, since I first watched Jimmy Brown play for Cleveland on my parents little B&W TV.
I have also been a Bills fan since their inception in the AFL.
I have watched thousands of pro football games in my life and every NFL championship since the late 50s, AFL championships since the early 60s and every Superbowl since #1.
So I am old school (with a young outlook
).And as such, although i have my favorite teams, I am not the new type of fan that insists you must hate and denigrate all your opponents.
I admire class and talent and balls.
I was a fan of Bart Starr's Packers, Bob Griese's Dolphins, Terry Bradshaw's steelers, Joe Montana's 49ers, Joe Gibb's Redskins and I am not ashamed to admit I am a fan of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady's Patriots.
Plus, although I never worked in the football business, I have worked in the film and TV and advertising businesses for 30 years running film crews, a job that is analogous in a lot of ways with coaching a football team.
So I know a little about how to run groups of 60 - 150 highly paid free agents to try and achieve a common goal.
And in my opinion, the Patriots do it just right.
That being done with, I thought I would post some of the most relevant things I've said about the situation, not because i want to toot my own horn, but because I think you'd enjoy what I had to say.
but before I start, I'll outline my position so you know what my most important points are.
1. Trying to crack another teams signals is a long and honored NFL tradition. Part of the game.
2. When BB or whoever gave BB the idea of using video to compile a database of coaching signals was first proposed and implemented, it WASN'T against the rules, nor was it in anyway unethical. 31 other teams were free to do the same thing.
3. The Patriots won 3 superbowls being smarter and better than everyone else and Eric Mangini was in like a dirty shirt. I don't see him offering to send his three rings back.
4. Belichick MADE Mangini's career.
5. The Jets hired Mangini specifically to get the lowdown on the Pats organization.
6. Bob Kraft supported Roger Goodell in his career and promoted him for the Commissioner's job.
7. When Mangini went to the Jets and started spreading the word that Belichick had a magic database that predicted every coaching call from now to the Rapture, the other teams **** their pants and started lobbying to get a rule stopping the Pats put in place.
8. Goodell could have done the honorable thing and told the other teams to pound sand, but realizing that 31 outvote 1, decided to screw a man that had always been kind and supportive of him to placate the losers and whiners of the league.
9. So Mangini betrayed Belichick and Goodell betrayed Kraft by inventing the no videotaping coaches rule. And Belichick and Kraft, not being the type of guys who let people screw with them, decided to fight back.
10. Thus they decided to stage the little dog and pony show at the Meadowlands. They DID IT ON PURPOSE!
Why?
1. To make a point to Goodell and the league that they are willing to defend their intellectual property (coaching and scouting strategies). And this defense includes a willingness to compromise their own reputations to embarrass Goodell and the league. Who cares about tarnished rings. This is war.
2. To ruin Mangini's career and destroy the Jets' season.
3. To provide the BEST ever motivation for the team to fight like rabid wolverines to their 4th Superbowl title.
And so far, everything has worked perfectly.
Remember, when people that have been proved clever time and again do something that looks stupid to the general onlooker, you can be sure there is something else going on.
And Belichick and Kraft are definitely not stupid guys.
They trotted Estrella out into the open and had him prance around for a reason.
They wanted to FORCE Mangini and the league to bust them.
They wanted this battle, to draw this line in the sand.
And everything that's happened in the meantime has only verified my initial opinion.
Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft are not the cheaters here.
Eric Mangini, Woody Johnson, Roger Goodell and the rest of the losers who couldn't compete on a level playing field were.
Colluding to outlaw an advantage fairly won is cheating, pure and simple.
That is why BB and Kraft decide to call everyone out.
Anyway, here are the two things I posted first about the situation that has made me Public Enemy #1 in Buffalo. Others will follow.
And good luck on Sunday. I'll be rooting for the Bills and praying for a miracle that proves JP Losman isn't Rob Johnson Jr.
9/11/2007
Newest Pats outrage - Belichick hires Kreskin and Criss Angel, NFL to investigate
and... (split for length)
