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Will the Patriots have a 10th consecutive winning season?

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  1. Silly Question! Super Bowl Baby

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  2. Yes. And I think 11-5 is just about right.

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  3. NO! We are Doomed!

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  4. The Jets are teh awesome this year.

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  5. Can't we just enjoy or summer without worrying aout this?

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  1. PATSNUTme

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    The Patriots have had 9 consecutive winning seasons. This is not an NFL record as the Cowboys had 20.

    This is by far the most consecutive winning seasons for the Patriots as the most prior was 5. But with the tougher division and the tough schedule this year will that streak continue?

    I'm thinking 11-5 this year and winning the division. I know some will answer as long as they have TFB they will win, win, win.

    But maybe I'm being either optimistic or pessimistic. Let me stick up a poll and see what the members think.
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    They will win more games than in 2009 if two things happen - Tom Brady plays better in terms of closing out games or game winning drives and the defense plays better.

    With that said, this team is 11-5 at best.
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    I think this team is probably closer to 16-0 than it is 11-5.
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    Seeing as the two things are not that far fetched and since you said they will win more games if the two not so far fetched things happen than how can you say 11-5 at best. To me if a few things fall right this could be a 14-2 team again or even better. The way I look at it is last year things didn't fall right and they were 10-6 anyway so if things fall right I see no reason to cap them at an 11 win team when they have shown they can be much better when things fall right.
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    So you expect little or no improvement in either area? (None really because we were 11-5 if we didnt pull the starters in the last game)
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    I had to go with #1, because at this time of year, what true (homer) fan thinks anything else!?
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    #1 and I'm not being a homer:singing:, I really honestly believe they've got what it takes to bring this one full tilt.
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    Although I am not sure the Pats will go 11-5, I do think they will have a winning season. Since that is the closest to my feelings, that is the choice I selected. Probably should have chosen the "Can't we enjoy the summer..." option.
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    11-5 does not exclude them as SB contenders. The schedule is tougher and the division will be tougher than last year.

    11-5 IMO wins them the division this year. Maybe Baltimore could have a better AFC record. I don't think the Colts or the Chargers will this year. And the Patriots will have a leg up on those teams by virtue of the wins against them.
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    I'll keep my powder dry for an exact prediction (called last season at 11--5, which nailed it except, as someone noted above, for pulling the starters in Week 17).

    Right now, I'll just answer the question as posed in the thread title.

    "Yes, a 10th consecutive winning season."

    How "winning?" Hey, it's the middle of May and too early to say. Also, let's allow the Jets to enjoy their annual spring Super Bowl celebrations.
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    If your worried about this you have some serious issues.
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    I just gotta say it, I've been waiting a long time for you to say something even remotely sensible but it still hasn't happened.

    Your posts are like a migraine, they are a pain to read because they include useless information and lots of complete bull****, innacurate information and very illogical thoughts.
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    strange, strange rsponse set.

    1) 11-5 is fine for a SB contender.

    2) The poll is about a winning season and there is nothing but SB, 11-5 and we are doomed. Last I heard 10-6 and even 9-7 would be a 10th consecutive winning season.
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    tell him how you really think......


    I think he is kind of the opposite of me on here as he always seems to way overstate his points so much where they seem illogical as I do to but where we differ is that I tend overrate our team understate needs/problem areas and he seems to underate the team or overstate the needs/problem areas.

    I think exageration is tough thing to sell on the internet.
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    On a week by week basis, I, as always, will believe that the Pats will win that Sunday (I will NEVER say the Pats will lose in the 'predict the score' thread). That said, 11-5 is a pretty good guess.
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    Get used to it or put me on ignore because they haven't won a super bowl in the last 5 years when they should've won at least two.

    So the defense made key stops last season? Those thoughts are inaccurate and very illogical?

    When they fix their defense, they will win a super bowl. That's when I'll shut up.
    I think the defense will fold in critical situations.
    -I don't think their roster is very good on paper.
    -Welker is injured and Moss is getting older.
    -There are question marks at WR
    -Their line can't run block
    -Koppen keeps getting worse
    -They still have question marks at DE, OLB, ILB, CB and S.
    - Their defense can't make critical stops.
    -Tom Brady and BB are the only reason they will have a winning season. Even Brady said himself he needs to play a lot better.
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    I agree with what the guy said before, your posts are always focusing on negative points in this team. You hate every player we get, I would like to see you in the GM spot.
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    There really isn't anything positive to say about this team. I don't even know if I could name a handful of players on their team that I feel has promise in the NFL(excluding 2010's draft class). Their drafts have been bad since 2006 and if nobody from the 09-10 draft class steps up, they will turn into the Atlanta Braves or even better the Colts of the NFL (always win the division but early exit in playoffs).

    I have admitted I liked this draft far better than '09 which I thought was pretty bad given the amount of picks they had and what they could've done with them.

    If I had taken over GM after the 2004 super bowl (when the team needed to look towards the future), it would've been a f*cking cake walk. This team wouldn't be in the position they are in now.
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    This may be the silliest thing posted on this board in 2010.

    Seriously, you're not even pretending to think before posting at this point, are you?

    :ugh:

    Judging an entire draft as "pretty bad" after one season, particularly given the obvious success of that draft?

    :rofl:

    Posts like this are why the Chicken Littles are still more annoying than the rabid homers.
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    Your making my point of over exageration to try and prove yours as I can off the top of my head easily name a handful of guys with promise.

    Mayo, Guyton, Edelman, and Vollmer say hi, guys who have already reached a degree of promise and who have plenty of room to get better
    others who have not reached it yet but have high ceilings include Chung, Butler, Brace, Tate, Pryor, and many others.


    -Welker is injured and Moss is getting older.
    Cant argue much with the Welker comment and Yes Moss is older but he also dealt with a handful of injuries last year which he fought thru to contribute and yes maybe the age is the reason but there is reason to think a Healthy Moss should put up better numbers than last year.

    -There are question marks at WR
    Sure there are but it would seem to be less of a question this than last so there is improvement and there is a lot of young talent that sure has questions but also could make this one of the best WR groups Brady has had. It would be though to pass 07 but I dont see why if Edelman continues his pace and if one of Tate or Price work out that this cant be better than any of the other groups.

    -Their line can't run block
    This should be much much better with A Vollmer playing more B with the Crumpler and Gronkowski and C if Neal can stay healthy.
    -Koppen keeps getting worse
    not even sure what to say here he has certainly declined a little as the years go on but you make it out like he isnt even worthy of a back up spot.

    -They still have question marks at DE, OLB, ILB, CB and S.
    The way you lump all these positions together begs the question who doesn't have question marks because for example the CB and S spots there are 4 safeties who have all started for you two of wich of well more than a seasons worth of starts, one of which has made a pro bowl, another is in his second year had a good amount of reps last year and was drafted at a spot where he comes with expectations at CB you have your best player from last year a guy with 5-7 picks, and you have vet in Springs who has had a great career and 4 young players none of which was drafted lower than rd 4 and one of which is a first rd pick from this year. Are there questions at DB sure but would I consider the questions to be big no and are there back up answers too?
    - Their defense can't make critical stops.
    They have gone a long way intrying to improve that. First they made moves to improve the Run stopping ability by bringing in a Vet RDE with the proper bulk for run stopping and an ILB with the proper bulk for run stopping, Second they further try to improve the secondary so that 3rd and long is harder to convert. Both should make the pass rush look better by first getting more pass rush chances and second by getting coverage longer. This should mean more stops and I also think they did have that bend dont break mentality back at points last year.
    -Tom Brady and BB are the only reason they will have a winning season. Even Brady said himself he needs to play a lot better
    They certainly are the main reason but if Hoyer were to play like Cassel did then I could still see this team with a winning record (doubtful they compete for titles but a winning recors would not be crazy).
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    It's a little thing called mixing humor with semi-serious banter.

    I have a good deal of faith that 75% of the people here understand that one more win over 8 would be a winning season. Except if that win came in the playoffs, but then it would have to be followed by a defeat at some time or it would mean another SB Championship.
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    Randy Moss led the AFC in TD receptions last year, with a separated shoulder.

    Just saying, folks.
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    I think 11-5 is pretty reasonable. I'm most interested in how much the rookies are going to produce this year.
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    From 18-1 to 11-5 to 10-7: 9-7 (and no POs) looks about right to me, as of today. But the reg. season doesn't start tomorrow, so I reserve the right to change my mind if I see improvement in certain areas as the off-season & then TC progress:

    OL - Vollmer will improve the RT position, but Neal must stay healthy all season, because I see nobody on the roster capable of replacing him. Koppen, unfortunately, is a lost cause, and unless Ted Larsen becomes Bill's 2nd-best 6th-round draft pick ever, then the OL will never be as good as it could be until a legitimate starting-calibre Center is found.

    WR - Welker is hors de combat; Moss is a lame duck; Aiken, Jenkins, Patten, Slater & Stanback = junk.
    On the bright side, Torry Holt appears a perfect fit for the offense the way it used to be during the Good Old Days; Edelman has a full year as a Receiver under his belt, so the rapport btwn him & Brady should be much better; and Taylor Price has the deep speed to keep defenses honest, and is a very good blocker to boot - one of the very best in the draft.
    If one of the 3 Bs - Brandon Tate, Bryan Anderson & Buddy Farnham - emerges as a dependable pass-catcher, then I'll feel better about this group; otherwise, there's just not enough depth to keep the starters fresh.

    DE - We really need another Richard Seymour here, just without the money-first attitude. Mike Wright is a nice story, and is effective in limited snaps, but is not a starting-calibre 3-4 DE on a defense with SB aspirations. Unfortunately, he is the best athlete at the position besides an increasingly-injured Ty Warren; the rest are either too short (Gordon, Grady, Lewis, Love, Pryor) or too unathletic (Deaderick, Richard, G.Warren). I'd really love to find a Jarron Gilbert-type of stud for the position, who has the height/weight/wingspan to not only hold the POA, but wreck havoc in the backfield, too.

    OLB - need I say more? When TBC - bless his heart - is your best player, then you are in big, big trouble.

    Less-worrisome areas which could still use improvement:

    S - Sorry, but I'm still not sold on Meriweather. He's too undisciplined, he goes for the FESPN Jacked Up hit at the expense of actually making the tackle, and I don't ever see him as one of the core leaders of the defense going forward. And please don't play the Pro Bowl card; those selections have been a joke for a long, long time.
    At SS, Jimmy Sanders is simply not starting-calibre; Chung really needs to take the job by the end of TC.

    CB - Bodden, Butler & McCourty should be a good threesome, but I'd like to find a more reliable 4th than Springs (an injury/retirement waiting to happen) or Wheatley/Wilhite (who just plain suck).

    RB - I wish that Bill would find a young, wide-bodied down-hill Runner to groom when Morris & Taylor are finally sent to pasture (the sooner the better). LaMA needs some Thunder to go with his Lightning, but I don't think the Law Firm is that guy.
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    It's early and things could definitely change by the time the team starts, but at least now this team has greatly improved its character, attitude, and toughness. I think the defense is better situated personnel wise compared to last year, especially on the front 7. Welker will definitely be missed but I have high hopes for Edelman in the interim and think Taylor Price can step in and take over the 3rd WR spot right out the gate. There are always the surprise players, too. A couple of guys are going to come out of nowhere to get some serious playing time.

    Having said that, they have a very tough schedule and 11 wins is going to be their ceiling in terms of wins. Their ability to make the playoffs is really going to hinge on how well the AFC and NFC North teams turn out to be. If the Steelers and Bengals are below average teams, the Vikings have to start someone other than Brett Favre, and we manage a split with the Chargers and Colts we'll find our way in September. That is, of course, a tall order. The deck seems to be stacked against us while we enter what is hopefully the final phases of our retooling years.
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    Don't be so sure about Price. I have high hopes for him too but he's going against some young competition in TC, least of all is Brandon Tate.
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