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  1. Real World

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    That state is seriously $#%&@!.


    *This is the first story in America's Great State Payroll Giveaway, a six-part series. Coming tomorrow: how a court ruling and state bungling sent the price of psychiatric care soaring, and led to suicides in California's prison and mental health systems.*


    $822,000 Worker Shows California Leads U.S. Pay Giveaway

    By Mark Niquette, Michael B. Marois & Rodney Yap - Dec 11, 2012 12:54 AM ET

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    $822,000 Worker Shows California Leads U.S. Pay Giveaway - Bloomberg

    * Across the U.S., such compensation policies have contributed to state budget shortfalls of $500 billion in the past four years

    * Payroll data compiled by Bloomberg on 1.4 million public employees in the 12 most populous states show that California has set a pattern of lax management, inefficient operations and out-of-control costs. From coast to coast, states are cutting funding for schools, public safety and the poor as they struggle with fallout left by politicians who made pay-and-pension promises that taxpayers couldn’t afford.

    * Davis had taken office in 1999 with a $12 billion budget surplus. Four years later, he began his second term by reporting a $35 billion budget deficit -- about $1,000 for every man, woman and child in the state.


    Pay Increases

    Davis and the Legislature also agreed to labor contracts that gave 164,000 state workers pay increases of 4 percent in 1999 and again in 2000. Those contracts cost the state an extra $1.3 billion within a year, according to the state’s independent Legislative Analyst’s Office.

    There were more to come.

    After technology stocks plummeted in 2000, cutting tax revenue, Davis asked state workers to postpone additional raises.

    In lieu of immediate increases, Davis and the California Legislature agreed to link highway patrol pay to an average of the five biggest law enforcement agencies in the state. The result: escalating raises that came due after Davis left office. Officers’ pay rose 2.7 percent in fiscal 2004, 12.1 percent in fiscal 2005 and 5.6 percent and 5.7 percent in the following years, according the Legislative Analyst’s Office.
     
  2. DarrylS

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    Would like to see it taken a couple of steps further, regarding the exponentially increasing costs of prison systems the folks who work there and overall expense..

    The three strikes laws and war on drugs are all failures.. just wait until these guys get old as things will get more and more expensive.. there is plenty of blame to go around.
     
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    prisons are too expensive and the prisoners have it too good.

    very spartan is humane. if prisoners want anything beyond completely basic diet and quartering, then they should have to earn it.

    I agree about the war on drugs, and we spend way too much money on incarcerating non-violent crimes.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    I'm not sure why he, or anyone else in here cares. Unless you all live in California. :D
     
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    Do you live near Detroit, or East Lansing? :p


    I post about fiscal issues all the time. This is also import because we could see the question of state bailouts someday. Would you be willing to pay for a federal bailout of another state? I wouldn't.
     
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    #32 Jersey

    When Obama bails out California your tax dollars will be going there.
     
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    "Including one-time lump-sum payments"

    I take it that rolling the present value of a lifelong pension into an employee's one-year salary is now part of his "pay" for that year.

    Get stuffed. And by the way? He's an idiot. Never take the lump sum.

    PFnV

    edit: unless the doctor gave you a year to live or something.
     
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    I take it you didn't actually read the article.

    In California, Governor Jerry Brown hasn’t curbed overtime expenses that lead the 12 largest states or limited payments for accumulated vacation time that allowed one employee to collect $609,000 at retirement in 2011
     
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    at retirement. And the accompaying graphic says "including lump sums."

    Again, looks like you're against lump-sum payouts over annuitized pensions. I agree. You just don't know that's what you're complaining about.

    By the way, thanks for trying to reproduce the text of the article. What you've typed makes no grammatical sense. If that's the original, it's worse.

    PFnV
     
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    #18 Jersey

    No state budget deficit or state pension should EVER be bailed out by taxpayers.

    That's just common sense...
     
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    F... all those clerks who make chump change and barely get by, but ignore the decision makers who make 4 or 5 times more...

    Let them be cast into poverty, and then they can become Wal Mart Greeters.. give them a hand up, not a hand out.

    Folks were told that the pension would be there when they retired, and now as they age are unable to recoup any benefits lost..
     
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    so what? why should they be any different from the rest of the real world?

    everyone gets promised crap they never see........its the liberal way of getting votes
     
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    Keep believing that fantasy, when you retire from anywhere you believe in a promise.. if you do so from a public agency, there is no federal agency to back it up.. like there is for the private sector..

    Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp - PBGC Protects America's Pensions
     
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    #32 Jersey

    Obama will do whatever he wants.
     
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    #18 Jersey

    And so will many Americans.....
     
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    I like that some people believe that America should be about lying and cheating workers out of promised wages/earnings.

    Hey, its the American way! I am going to lie about what I will pay you and too bad for you.
     
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    #32 Jersey

    Obama wants more stimulus and an a unlimited debt ceiling with more and more tax payers retiring every day.

    America: It was a nice run.
     
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    Who said America should be about lying and stealing? Also, who's cheating who here? Is the american taxpayer cheating the public employee union, by demanding reasonable wages and benefits be paid? Benefits and wages that are both in line with the times, and with those very taxpayers' wages in the private sector. Or, is it the taxpayer who is being lied to, and cheated, when they're given and ever increasing bill for lifetime benefits, exhorbinant wages, and ever increasing burdens so that the members of these unions can retire fat after 20, 23, or 30 years service? Furthermore, who promised these sweetheart deals? Certianly not the taxpayers who pay the bill. The promises come from know nothing politicians who get campaign contributions and support from the very unions they hand us taxpayers money to. My friend, when it comes to being cheated, and lied to, it's not the unions who are the victims here. It's us taxpayers who foot the bill.

    This is why going outright broke, and bankrupt, is the only way we will ever correct our fiscal problems. Too many people just don't understand reality.
     
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    Unlimited debt ceiling? Link?
     
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    Actually, the tax payers did approve these sweetheart deals, we approved them with our votes. Union members are Americans too, they are voters, they pay taxes.

    We are "going broke" because the banking industry drove the world's economy into the grand canyon and Bush gave everybody tax cuts and started two unfunded wars instead of doing the responsible thing and work on the national debt.
     

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