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80% of Americans support higher taxes on earnings over 250k/year

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  1. Holy Diver

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    According to figures released by Bloomberg and The Washington Post on Tuesday, eight in 10 Americans, including a majority of Republicans, support raising taxes on households earning over $250,000 a year. A full 81 percent of Democrats were behind the plan, along with 67 percent of independents and 53 percent of Republicans.

    Poll: Middle-class pain necessary, but widely unpopular - Behind the Numbers - The Washington Post


    Of course, with anything in Washington...80% isn't a majority.
     
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    Gee people want others taxed and not themselves. People being greedy with Other peoples money what a shock.

    When people offer to have their taxes raised (especially the 47% that don't pay federal taxes) wake me up.
     
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    in other news,

    100% of all death row inmates are against the death penalty
     
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    I'm guessing 81% of Americans don't make $250k a year.

    Raising tax rates is the wrong move imo. Eliminating a lot of the breaks & loopholes is the wiser road to travel.
     
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    I'd support raising taxes on them. but of course, I'm like the other 80% who supports a tax increase that doesn't affect me!

    I honestly wouldn't raise them much on people who earn between $250-$500K. People think $250k/year is "Wealthy", but it's not. It's doing very well, but not wealthy.

    I'd prefer to increase on those who have amassed a great deal of wealth.
     
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    You know... If we stopped taxing at such a high rate on the federal level, we could have more appropriate taxes based on cost of living and location. 250,000 in NYC isn't compareable to everywhere else...

    People need to wake up and shrink the federal government.
     
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    As others have alluded to, I don't understand the $250k threshold.

    More importantly, and this echos other posts here, I don't think taxes should be raised on one segment of the population. It's the wrong way to govern and it opens the door to even worse actions.

    If we're going to raise rates on those making over $250k, we need to raise them on everybody, imo. Not necessarily by the same amount, but the hit has to be felt by everybody. And if that means not raising taxes right now, then we don't raise taxes right now.
     
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    I think a healthy reduction in entitlements would be a good start
     
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    What will our beautiful wonderful politicians do with all that money,

    1 Take care of our country
    2 Build a statue of Barack Hussein Obama
    3 Buy a new Jet for Nancy pelosi
    4 Support and provide college for 12 million illegal aliens
    5 Bulid hotels for Wino's
    6 Put Uncle Teddys head on Mt Rushmore
    7 Buy everybody on welfare a new motorhome to visit disneyland.
    8 Buy Michelle some shirts that fit her.
    9 Build Aunt Zucchini and Uncle Omar new homes on Malibu Beach.
    10 Give it all to Somalia

    :bricks:
    "what should be done about billionaire liberal democrats like soros and oprah"
     
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    I've evolved on taxes over my lifetime. I used to think people make under $X shouldn't be taxed. Then I realized that while the intention is noble, people who aren't taxed don't have a stake in the game. Once you reach 51% of the people not being taxed, you could theoretically have a situation where the non taxed vote themselves more of someone elses. Obviously that's an over simplified generalization, but you get the point. I think everyone should pay some tax. Save for those in poverty. What really bothers me, is that there are people who get back thousands more than they've even paid in taxes. That's really absurd to me.

    Like I said before, I wouldn't raisie rates. I'd instead close loopholes and eliminate certain breaks. What good is having a 30% rate, if by the time your high priced CPA is done, you're paying 21% of a shrunken sum? Raising rates will only mean that the people with the higher priced CPA's will pay less, or the industries with the best lobbyists will shape the actions of an increased pool of tax shelter seekers.
     
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    In other words 80% of the 98% who earn less than 250K support higher taxes. The 18% difference are those who think they may be earning 250K sometime in the future.

    This is news worthy?
     
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    says an 18%er





    Lowering taxes is doing super swell at creating jobs. Just look at the skyrocketing economy!
    This is newsworthy because the 80% of americans are not in the pocket of those making laws. the 1% are.

    Guess who wins in the american democracy?
     
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    A couple of personal opinions (my solutions) on the subject.

    1. Get rid of all income tax (personal and corporate). Then install a consumption tax on all goods and services purchased.

    2. If that is too much of a pipe dream, get rid of the current monstrosity of a tax code and have a 1 page tax code. Regardless of what you made, you pay X%. No deductions, no write-offs.
     
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    What is the rationale for a consumption tax? Why is that a sound basis for taxation?
     
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    I've always been intrigued by a consumption tax. I just don't think it will ever fly. The argument that it disproportionally affects lower income earners kinda sinks that ship. I think a simplified tax code with fewer brackets, and fewer deductions, is the way to go.
     
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    1. I feel it is a fairer means of taxation. You are taxed on what you use, not what you make. All people have to consume things and thus everyone would pay for their use. Could be lower on certain good (necessities and higher on luxury items, but I prefer a single rate).

    2. As a result of taxing consumption, you would bring in "new" tax streams; namely the 51 percent of people (rich or poor) who paid nothing would now pay something. On top of that, "blackmarkets"; drug dealers and the like, would now be taxed, where as currently they are not.

    3. Would be an easier system to follow and understand for everyone. (but anything would be easier to follow than what we have now).

    4. Would get rid of all or most of the IRS.

    5. Could potentially increase worker production, as the one drawback to making more money (higher tax rate) would be removed.

    Thats just a few thoughts off the top of my head.
     
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    I agree. Would there be exemptions for things like food and clothes?

    A simplified tax code would be great but we won't see it in our lifetimes.
     
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    Do you have the "guts" on it impacts the poor more argument? Just curious.

    I guess you could say that under the current situation Person X is poor and pays no income tax, and thus if they paid X% on what they consumed, is an affect, then yeah I would agree. But X% on a $2 good is far less that X% on a $100K good, which pressumably a poor person wouldn't/couldn't purchase.

    Everyone who uses an inch of road, a page in a school textbook, is provided security by their local police/fire dept, etc etc etc should pay something (and i think that would cover most of us)
     
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    I would be fine with clothes/food being tax free (as they currently are correct?)

    You and RW are right, we probably wont see it, because they who run the joint (lobbyists and special interests) would never let it happen.
     
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    There are states that tax food. I understand meals taxes when you go to a restaurant, but taxing a loaf of bread isn't cool.

    In Massachusetts food and clothing are not taxed.
     

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