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  1. Triumph

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    Mods, I realize that Miguel already has a cap thread, but I wanted everyone to see the latest estimate.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...s-of-thursday/

    Cap room snapshot, as of Thursday
    Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2011, 3:57 PM EDT

    We previously obtained the salary cap room (or lack thereof) for each team as of Tuesday. Several of you have asked for something more current.

    Your wish is our command.

    Here’s the info as of Thursday.

    The teams with cap space, a day before all teams must be in compliance, are as follows: Buccaneers ($ 29,560,000); Chiefs ($ 28,431,000); Jaguars ($ 28,000,000); Browns ($ 27,620,000); Bengals ($ 27,164,000); Broncos ($26,542,000); Bills ($ 23,460,000); 49ers ($ 22,570,000); Bears ($ 19,300,000); Seahawks ($ 16,387,000); Cardinals ($ 14,603,000); Redskins ($ 11,450,000); Packers ($ 11,106,000); Jets ($ 8,920,000); Dolphins ($ 8,446,000); Colts ($7,925,000); Titans ($ 7,127,000); Saints ($ 7,027,000); Patriots ($ 5,264,000); Chargers ($ 5,031,000); Eagles ($4,604,000); Ravens ($ 3,558,000); Panthers ($ 1,915,000); Vikings ($ 938,000); Falcons ($811,000); Giants ($623,000); Rams ($621,000).

    The teams in the red are: Raiders ($15,246,000); Steelers ($8,597,000); Lions ($7,793,000); Cowboys ($6,671,000); and Texans ($3,358,000).

    By tomorrow at 4:00 p.m., there should be no teams in the red.
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    If the Pats sign Mankins, they could really go out and make a bold move on a OLB.
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    Or they could extend their own, so they don't become a feeding system for the rest of the leauge with these big drafts + high picks.
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    Given PFT had us at $9.4m on Tuesday, and we've only signed Light above vet minimum, I'm guessing that means Light's cap cost is $4.7m for this year? $4.2m difference plus the minimum guy you bumped off the bottom of the list.

    Add in Solder and that takes us down to $4.2, so it depends on whether those figures include the $3m credit or not, as to the level of moves we can make.

    We also need a chad and Albert restructuring sometime soon.
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    Who is this "bold move" that you think is still available???

    Roth??
    Umienyora??

    I have news for you, with the Pats over 5 million under, they have plenty of room without getting Mankins to a long term deal. Though, getting him onto that would be great.
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    Chad's deal has already been re-structured. It was part of the deal that brought him to New England.

    There won't be a Haynesworth restructuring until next off-season. And that is only if Haynesworth shows he's worth it and doesn't do anything stupid. Otherwise, you take away the only leverage you have on him. That you can cut him without any penalty.
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    I think you are wrong about Ocho. I think it was agreed to but not done yet. I think they needed to wait until the new league year. Could be wrong, but Miguel still has the old number.

    They could still convert some of Haynesworths salary to a bonus at no real harm to push some hit to the future.
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    does this mean that some of those teams may be cutting good players that can get picked up?
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    I believe you're correct on Ocho, but I don't think it was ever filed so that he gets practice time, because if they restructured right away he would have had to wait until today to begin practicing. Same for Haynesworth.
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    rly?

    am I the first 'lol raiders'?
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    Who are potential cuts on those teams over the cap that could be a good link with the pats?
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    That's what fans of p-ss poor teams ask....not here:bricks:
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    Lets see what happens tomorrow and I'll tell you.
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    maybe oakland cuts seymour.

    edit:
    I think seymour and routt both restructured to bring oakland in under cap.
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    Dare I say it? Swing a trade for Woodley to 'bring the lumber' for the Pats D? I don't think we even have a shot at Ware. But in the Steelers case, they are famous for being able to plug any linebacker into their system and seem to make him look good. Woodley next to Albert Haynesworth = Severe QB Trauma!! The medical bills for Sanchez alone will be astronomical!
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    The Steelers are reportedly now under the cap after restructuring 5 players. There's always the possibility that they will cut someone irrelevant (veteran) like Leftwich or Foote.

    They have also been in heavy negotiations with Woodley all week long, and are at least reported to be making progress.

    Trust me, these 2 stories are all I hear on the news here.
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    Yeah, not sure about OAK, but that was PIT's big ticket answer to getting under the cap this week. I'm guessing the contract restructuring was key to most of these teams getting under the cap, and that there won't be nearly as many players cut that many here think.

    Strangely enough (sarcastic) the entire PIT team chose to vote 'no' to the ratification of the CBA today, based on their perceived unfair bias against their players---true story. Of course, as we know it passed anyway. What a bunch of crybabies.
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    This is the exact reason why some of these teams (PIT for ex.) did not file the paperwork of the restructured deals until tomorrow morning, even though they have been done/restructured for days now.
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    If he played for another team maybe but there's no way the Steelers trade him to their biggest conference (Ravens would be their biggest divisional) rival. I don't think they would trade him to another team for less than the Jarad Allen price of a first and a third and I can't see Bill doing that. Also imagine Woodley in the playoffs strip sacking Ben and the public outcry in western PA.

    To flip the tables lets say the Patriots were really going to trade Mankins. Can you see them flipping him to the Steelers and potentially having to see him in the playoffs knocking our defense on their collective @sses while Mendenhall rushes for a buck-fifty?
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    The Steelers just resigned Woodley. $61.5 million over six year. The cap number for 2011 is not yet know, but they probably saved a million or two by signing him to a longterm deal since the franchise tender he signed was worth $10.091 million.
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    I hope this will FINALLY put an end to those who keep longing for RIchard Seymour to be back. Because if he was here, what happened to the Raiders' cap would be happening to OURS. Richard Seymour was NEVER coming back. Not only because Richard didn't want to be back, but because the team couldn't afford his cap number (and neither can the Raiders, even AFTER they dumped Nnamdi's massive hit)
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    So the jets have 8.9 million in cap space left :eek: I don't understand this.
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    They saved about $3.5M on his first year cap hit of $6.5M. He may never see the last year or two of the deal due to restructure or cap cut, but he will see $27M in the first 3 which pretty much assures he will see the first 4.

    Teams are doing what they can on the first year in new deals but the don't seem to be going for the minimal hit as in past. Teams like the Raiders who are restructuring madly to save the present will likely face the same scenario or worse though in the immediate future.
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    They have restructured a couple of their heavy hitters this week and cuts like Cotchery saved them a couple of million (albeit while creating additional holes in their roster). It's never just about cap space. It's got to be in relation to your roster. Their's is still populated by a boatload of UDFA's and futures signings and rookies. They are extremely light depth chart wise on experienced players.
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    While cap numbers are interesting, I have come to realize if a team wants X player badly enough - they will just restructure some Vets deal - thereby getting their man. IMO many 'cap cuts' are a convenient excuse for a team to rid itself of a unwanted or declining skill player.

    Maybe the 'Cap Hell' situation was handcuffing in the first few years after the salary cap was introduced before cap managers learned all of the ins & outs of the cap accounting. But lately teams seem always able to wiggle out of it and just use accounting tricks to push the 'problem' into future years. Better for the next HC / GM /FO to pay the price as this is a win now league!

    What is most interesting for me, is how the limited salary is divided among the teams players. That tells alot about how the HC / FO philosophy is in team building. Will you use a top heavy (Colts ) approach? Or a strong middle class approach (Pats)? Or a 'Christmas in March' -impulse buy approach (Snyders Redskins).
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    Here is a link to the JETScap page. It is pretty well kept. Thing to note (for context) is they only have 78 players currently under contract despite the 90 man roster limit. Of those, 35 are minimum salary rookies/UDFA's/futures... They also have quite a contingent of 2nd year players - about a dozen, including some disappointing 2010 rookies. A lot of them are currently among the 51 for jetcap purposes and going to be on their 53 man roster unless Tanny can scrape up a whole lot of vets on minimum deals over the next month...

    New York Jets Salary Cap
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    Here is an example of how restructures work to free up cap space in the present. It shows what Oakland did with Routt and apparently Seymour. Only problem is it tends to ultimately create cap casualties down the road. Seymour as an example was set to have flat $15M per cap hits for 2011 and 2012 with no guarantees or dead cap if cut in 2012. Now, they want to walk away after this season it will cost them, maybe as much as $10M or more in dead cap...

    NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Routt only one example of how deals are reworked «
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